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27-06-2016, 08:34 PM
RE: Christian with a question....
(27-06-2016 04:00 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  
(27-06-2016 09:03 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  And no, none has ever been reported to have witnessed the utter countenance of GOD in fullness, as our perception and cognition is limited to human understanding.

coun·te·nance: a person's face or facial expression.

Oh really?

And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved (Genesis 32:30)

So the Lord spoke to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend (Exodus 33:11)

But since there has not arisen in Israel a prophet like Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face (Deuteronomy 34:10).

Contradictions:

No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, but the only is at the Father's side, has made him known (John 1:18). Consider

Who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever (1 Timothy 6:16).

Rolleyes

(26-06-2016 08:48 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  I was asked to show scripture from the new testament that shows the law of Moses was misinterpreted. That's what I'm doing. I couldn't care less who wrote John, it's just where I left off from reviewing a members referenced scripture. Why would it make any difference to me what the person's or people's names are who wrote it? I don't know them, but know of them, and not by name but by accord.

That goes for all core scriptures or texts of the faithful unto GOD.

sigh.

You should care who wrote the scriptures since they were written by NON eyewitnesses, thus it is based on urban legends, older myths, and stories passed down. That goes for all core scriptures or texts of the faithful unto the unevidenced mythical god.
Nonsensical; the first faith started from somewhere and it wasn't based on previous faith.

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27-06-2016, 09:12 PM (This post was last modified: 27-06-2016 09:23 PM by popsthebuilder.)
RE: Christian with a question....
Deesse23,

How do you propose I show you which verses explain that the OT was manipulated or misinterpreted without showing them to you?

I guess I'll just state them. This is not an exhaustive list;

They noted atrocities done by man in an attempt to show that GOD keeps promises instead of having faith that it would come to light by the Will of GOD. They taught to objectify others(namely women) although they were to show equality and compassion. They harshly sentenced others to death by the hand of man for sins that weren't unto death instead of being merciful and guiding them. They repeatedly have offerings and sacrifices of life for their own sins as opposed to offering up self(desire) for sacrifice once at the appropriate time with utter repentance. They hypocritically abhorred idols, yet didn't seem to get that any desire placed before or above the Will of GOD is idol worship. They considered the circumcision to be literal instead of the cutting away of greed/ sin in all forms.

I'll have to finish I'm another post. Sorry



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27-06-2016, 09:23 PM
RE: Christian with a question....
(27-06-2016 09:03 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  So are you saying that the prophets weren't of GOD?

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27-06-2016, 09:26 PM
RE: Christian with a question....
(27-06-2016 09:30 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  
Quote:Again I was asked to provide supporting scripture for my claim. That's what I'm doing.

Pops,

i didnt ask you to provide scripture. What i asked was

Quote:1) which of your verses
explains
2) which part of the OT was manipulated and misinterpreted
and
3) what the correct interpretation is

Where (the fuck) do you read from this, that i want more copy pasta form the bible? I know thats what you want to read, but its not what i requested.
Particularly my point #2 was completely ignored by you.

You are completely free to ignore or refuse my requests, questions, or any other way of trying to interact with you, but once you commit to interacting with me, i am expecting at least a minimum of decent human behaviour and adherence to basic rules of conversation during our interaction. Carefully reading (and possibly asking back questions if you arent sure you understood my question correctly!) is one of them.

Please consider this as well: I am asking you to for explanation of your first quotes, which i equal to asking you for your phone number. A very personal and specific request. Now, what did you do? You threw even more bible quotes at me, which i equal with throwing the entire phonebook at me. Dont you see how ignorant (ignoring my request in the first place) this is, and how rude?
Throwing entire, uncommented and uninterpreted passages at me, while i told you clearly in advance that i dont want to have to interpret your verses (so you wont accuse me of misinterpretation afterwards), well i perceive that to be particularly rude from you.

Therefore i am not going to dive into your endless bible-copy pasta, which is still mostly irrelevant to my question after having read it.

Let me get now to the greater point i wanted to make:
Would you agree with me that if you collect all availiable stories,"quotes", etc. from Jesus of the NT (well, there arent any, this has already be discussed ad nauseum, but lets that not stop us for the sake of continuing our discourse) that correct the misinterpretations from the OT or render them invalid, this what remains of the OT remains valid?

Just to be clear: Please, no more bible passages, no opinions of others, no wider discourses, links, non-sequiturs or tangents. I want your opinion.
1) yes?
or
2) no?
Yes.

But I don't know if that's what you want, because I consider the ot to be profitable without change, it just doesn't align with what is right in all points. But can still be learned from.

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27-06-2016, 09:28 PM
RE: Christian with a question....
(27-06-2016 04:00 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  
(27-06-2016 09:03 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  And no, none has ever been reported to have witnessed the utter countenance of GOD in fullness, as our perception and cognition is limited to human understanding.

coun·te·nance: a person's face or facial expression.

Oh really?

And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved (Genesis 32:30)

So the Lord spoke to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend (Exodus 33:11)

But since there has not arisen in Israel a prophet like Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face (Deuteronomy 34:10).

Contradictions:

No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, but the only is at the Father's side, has made him known (John 1:18). Consider

Who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever (1 Timothy 6:16).

Rolleyes

(26-06-2016 08:48 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  I was asked to show scripture from the new testament that shows the law of Moses was misinterpreted. That's what I'm doing. I couldn't care less who wrote John, it's just where I left off from reviewing a members referenced scripture. Why would it make any difference to me what the person's or people's names are who wrote it? I don't know them, but know of them, and not by name but by accord.

That goes for all core scriptures or texts of the faithful unto GOD.

sigh.

You should care who wrote the scriptures since they were written by NON eyewitnesses, thus it is based on urban legends, older myths, and stories passed down. That goes for all core scriptures or texts of the faithful unto the unevidenced mythical god.
Fullness and utter are the key words here, not countenance.

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27-06-2016, 09:40 PM
RE: Christian with a question....
(27-06-2016 05:28 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  
(26-06-2016 04:00 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Don't worry, I'm not done.



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Seriously, I think you are violating some sort of forum rule by copy/pasting chunks of text from religious books.

You actually think this confers any credibility to your fatuous assertions? Are you that bereft of understanding? Are you that out of touch with reality?

Just as unfogged has been telling you- get help!

You are on an atheist forum bleating about some weird psychotic delusions you have which you label as god and you really can't figure out why no one will take you seriously?

Or are you so delusional you can't see that?

Are you capable of pulling your head out from your psychotic delusions long enough to realize you are not doing anything but convincing people that you are in need of psychological help?
It's not that I don't get why atheists act how they do at times, here; but that it is irrelevant. No level of negativity, regardless of if the purveyor finds themselves to be justified or not, will detour me. An utter lack of willingness to at least here what I say, by all 10000 or so members might dissuade me, but I wouldn't bet on it.

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27-06-2016, 09:48 PM
RE: Christian with a question....
(27-06-2016 05:50 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(27-06-2016 05:13 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  It's baffling to me that so many here claim to be biblical scholars, and to have thoroughly studied the bible, but never looked before or after it in order to further research the possibility of it's validity.

It is baffling to you because it isn't true. We have looked both before and after.
Please reference actual extra-Biblical evidence for the validity of the Bible.

We'll wait. Drinking Beverage
Don't play dumb; I started a whole thread on other scripture that matches the bible. Read any teachings from any ancient philosophical school of thought. They are all exceedingly similar in most all ways.

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27-06-2016, 09:54 PM
RE: Christian with a question....
(27-06-2016 06:04 AM)unfogged Wrote:  
(26-06-2016 05:52 AM)unfogged Wrote:  Please substantiate that claim.

Still waiting for that substantiation

By the way, quoting scripture to convince atheists is useless pops. There's no reason to take it as anything other than literature unless you have any actual evidence to support any of it. You'd understand that if you weren't so deeply mired in your little delusional world.
Uhm...would you like that I use the Qur'an? I haven't found too many other credible books that she is mentioned by name. Maybe the book of Enoch. The writings of the bab might mention her.

The point is that in all I have read of her she was devout and faithful and righteous. If you really want me to look for her in other scriptures, I will.

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27-06-2016, 09:58 PM
RE: Christian with a question....
(27-06-2016 06:17 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  
(27-06-2016 05:13 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  [Again I was asked to provide supporting scripture for my claim. That's what I'm doing.

Except you didn't.

(27-06-2016 05:13 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  I don't know why it took you over a year, but when you literally leave everything behind and fill all time with reading, it is possible.

Perhaps. But you also have to leave time for comprehension. Oops.

(27-06-2016 05:13 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Assuming I didn't grasp the material is a poor assumption indeed.

No, it's been demonstrated to be valid.

(27-06-2016 05:13 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  It's baffling to me that so many here claim to be biblical scholars, and to have thoroughly studied the bible, but never looked before or after it in order to further research the possibility of it's validity.

Oh? So what are your thoughts on the - scratch that -. Not Nicea.

I meant: What are your thoughts on the compilation of the biblical texts?
In my humble opinion I think some very key books were intentionally left out and some things of deception or misdirection were intentionally put in; not by the authors per say, but by the...editors, powers behind closed doors, for there own selfish motives. Don't get me started on the creeds and counsels.

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27-06-2016, 09:59 PM
RE: Christian with a question....
(27-06-2016 09:40 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  
(27-06-2016 05:28 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  Seriously, I think you are violating some sort of forum rule by copy/pasting chunks of text from religious books.

You actually think this confers any credibility to your fatuous assertions? Are you that bereft of understanding? Are you that out of touch with reality?

Just as unfogged has been telling you- get help!

You are on an atheist forum bleating about some weird psychotic delusions you have which you label as god and you really can't figure out why no one will take you seriously?

Or are you so delusional you can't see that?

Are you capable of pulling your head out from your psychotic delusions long enough to realize you are not doing anything but convincing people that you are in need of psychological help?
It's not that I don't get why atheists act how they do at times, here; but that it is irrelevant. No level of negativity, regardless of if the purveyor finds themselves to be justified or not, will detour me. An utter lack of willingness to at least here what I say, by all 10000 or so members might dissuade me, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Peace

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Then what types of goals do you have, putting any conjunction of words together for no inclination of self or other satisfaction bys the time sure, but doesn't accomplish much else.

Communication can work on so many more actual effective levels.

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