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28-06-2016, 07:40 PM
RE: Christian with a question....
(28-06-2016 06:44 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  
(27-06-2016 08:34 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Nonsensical; the first faith started from somewhere and it wasn't based on previous faith.

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Based on that genius level for reasons to believe dumbshit, I suppose you MUST also believe in bigfoot right? I mean there have been stories for centuries about a big-ape-man in multiple cultures on multiple continents, and millions of people believe in bigfoot. Let's take a look and do a compare and contrast...

It has long amused me that Christians have no qualms admitting that they believe in Jesus, even though there is zero evidence for the magical, miracle-performing, zombie invasion causing, son of a mythical god Jesus, but don't believe in Bigfoot. Perhaps a physical man named Jesus existed, in fact, many men named Jesus existed, and maybe even one of them was a self-professed messiah, who claimed to be the son of god….many people over time have claimed that very same thing…all discredited.

Know what doesn’t exist? Evidence that a single person who ever wrote about Jesus, actually knew him, met him, or witnessed his miracles. ZERO. Contemplate on that for a moment. I have asserted that fact for quite awhile now, as most of you know, and proven it to an exhaustive degree. Now, the question I have is why can people easily believe the Jesus fairy tale, yet dismiss stories of aliens, fairies, or even bigfoot? I wonder if they understand that there is far more evidence for Bigfoot than Jesus. In fact, since there exists no credible eyewitness testimony or contemporary evidence for the magical Jesus, by anyone who knew him, one would assume Bigfoot wins the compare and contrast hands down. (Jesus – 0.)

How about Bigfoot? Unlike the resurrection, which violates absolutely everything we know about almost every branch of science, the existence of Bigfoot doesn't violate the laws of physics, doesn't violate the laws of chemistry, it just seems to violate some of what we know about biology. Why is it that Christians believe claims that have overwhelming, almost conclusive evidence against them, and very weak circumstantial historical evidence for them, but they don't believe claims that at least have physical evidence at hand for contemplation….like Bigfoot?

Furthermore, unlike the resurrection, which is thinly supported by the copy of the translation of the copy of the translation of multiple layers of verbal hearsay by anonymous sources, and zero eyewitnesses, the existence of Bigfoot is supported by direct eyewitnesses alive today, with names, addresses, phone numbers, etc. (Bigfoot – 1)There are pictures and even fuzzy videos to analyze of Bigfoot loping through the forest. (Bigfoot – 2) In fact, since 70% of Americans are infected with some strain of Christian delusion, odds are the majority of these witnesses would be Christians….are you going to tell me one Christian would disbelieve another Christian who would vow they have seen, heard, and smelled bigfoot? You can go and interview a Bigfoot expert who has seen Bigfoot multiple times, and he will share the first-hand eyewitness testimony with you directly. (Bigfoot – 3) Ah, let me guess, they aren’t “true Christians” right?

It would seem like if you were in the business of believing in magic, supernatural, transcendental theory beings, and other unlikely stuff, and you were going to be consistent rather than biased, there are loads of claims that, though unlikely, are several orders of magnitude more probable than a 30AD flying corpse, zombie invasion and the entire world going dark upon his death…like perhaps the existence of Bigfoot. (Bigfoot – 4)

Bigfoot/Sasquatch/Yeti/Yowie/Almas/skunk Ape/Grassman/Wendigo/Orange Pendeck/Mapingauri/Yeren has been written about, and witnessed for many years WORLDWIDE. It MUST exist then right?

2,000 years from now whatever form of human exists then will inevitably find all of these mentions of bigfoot worldwide, and will certainly exclaim "Bigfoot" existed! He must have, look at the copious amount of worldwide documentation of him.

So let’s tally it up: Jesus – 0, bigfoot – 4. So inductive and deductive reasoning would establish that there is far more evidence for Bigfoot, than Jesus.

Disclaimer: I um...don't believe in Bigfoot either.
I'm not reading that.

It starts with you assuming my faith comes from a book, and surely goes on to mock me and what I hold to be true for very real, personal reasons, by equating them to some tall tale or myth.

I can deal with people saying what happened to me was a delusion, though I know it was not. What I won't be entertaining is the idea that my initial faith was the product of the bible or any other book, for that matter.

When I say I was an fn atheist, that's what I mean.....now put some thought into it....how many atheists can you imagine converting based on reading the bible...as atheists? How many atheists would go into some huge gathering hall called a church, listen to music/praise/preaching that makes little sense along with any amount of error added in for abject reasons,(not that all churches are that way) and come out faithful to GOD( as in the singular creative benevolent force behind existence)?



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28-06-2016, 07:41 PM
RE: Christian with a question....
(28-06-2016 07:22 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  
(28-06-2016 07:03 PM)Aliza Wrote:  Posting scripture that is poorly interpreted can be offensive sometimes. Especially when there's willful ignorance at play.
Willful ignorance of what?

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Still living off a steady diet of word salad I see.

You must be in fantastic shape.
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28-06-2016, 07:48 PM
RE: Christian with a question....
(28-06-2016 06:47 PM)unfogged Wrote:  
(28-06-2016 06:21 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  No, I said or was trying to say that Mary didn't mind being obedient and faithful to GOD regardless of circumstance.

What you were trying to say I can't tell. What you said was unsupported. It is good to have that confirmed. Learn to read Pops.

Quote:I don't know what else to get that sort of info on her other than religious texts. And yes, I'm quite aware that the Qur'an is said to have been composed somewhere around the 700ad. She most likely mourned the death of her son.

Using the book to prove the book is pointless, especially when you are using one story to support a claim in another that was written several hundred years earlier.

Quote:You are wrong if you think Islam doesn't consider Jesus/ Isa as the messiah.

Islam considers Jesus to be a prophet, not the messiah. They are not the same thing.
Considering your opinion of my intellect, I can see how you might honestly assume that...sorta. But yes, I am aware that the annointed one isn't synonymous with a prophet. They do consider him the messiah though. I would reference scripture but uhhh...

Islamic tradition holds that Jesus, the son of Mary, was a Prophet and the Masîḥ (مسيح) (messiah) sent to the Israelites, and that he will return to Earth at the end of times, along with the Mahdi, and defeat al-Masih ad-Dajjal, the "false Messiah" or Antichrist.[13]

Can't use Wikipedia either right.

I guess you want me to get a Muslim to say it to you personally? Then you would just say they weren't really of Islam, surely.

Gets kinda old doesn't it?

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28-06-2016, 07:52 PM
RE: Christian with a question....
(28-06-2016 06:54 PM)Dom Wrote:  
(28-06-2016 06:34 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  That was just a way to say that posting scripture seems to be really offending some.

It's not offending, it's just meaningless. Most of us have read it, most of us don't think the bible is a believable book.

So, do you think that people can be good without god?
Without knowledge of GOD? Indeed! Without question.

Without GOD? Doesn't work to me truthfully as I see nearly all as of GOD in some fashion or another. And the one thing that isn't of GOD opposes wholly in nearly all fashions.

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28-06-2016, 08:02 PM
RE: Christian with a question....
(28-06-2016 07:41 PM)Fodder_From_The_Truth Wrote:  
(28-06-2016 07:22 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Willful ignorance of what?

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Still living off a steady diet of word salad I see.

You must be in fantastic shape.
No, I'm dying asshole...sorry, I couldn't resist, but really, I am. We all are. Me maybe a little faster than most, but it's all the same.

Definitely sort of a motivator though, in a hurry up, your gonna die kinda way.

Thousand island please.


It was a single question.

I want to know what I am willfully ignorant of soze ize can fix it.

That's all.

Claiming word salad is like claiming that every time a word is misspelled, the entire point of the message is completely lost. It's okay to say you don't understand something without always accusing the other side.

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28-06-2016, 08:09 PM
RE: Christian with a question....
(28-06-2016 07:48 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  
(28-06-2016 06:47 PM)unfogged Wrote:  What you were trying to say I can't tell. What you said was unsupported. It is good to have that confirmed. Learn to read Pops.


Using the book to prove the book is pointless, especially when you are using one story to support a claim in another that was written several hundred years earlier.


Islam considers Jesus to be a prophet, not the messiah. They are not the same thing.
Considering your opinion of my intellect, I can see how you might honestly assume that...sorta. But yes, I am aware that the annointed one isn't synonymous with a prophet. They do consider him the messiah though. I would reference scripture but uhhh...

Islamic tradition holds that Jesus, the son of Mary, was a Prophet and the Masîḥ (مسيح) (messiah) sent to the Israelites, and that he will return to Earth at the end of times, along with the Mahdi, and defeat al-Masih ad-Dajjal, the "false Messiah" or Antichrist.[13]

Can't use Wikipedia either right.

I guess you want me to get a Muslim to say it to you personally? Then you would just say they weren't really of Islam, surely.

Gets kinda old doesn't it?

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This is not faith in selfless Unity for Good. ... just sayin'. Drinking Beverage

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28-06-2016, 08:12 PM
RE: Christian with a question....
(28-06-2016 08:02 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  No, I'm dying asshole...sorry, I couldn't resist, but really, I am. We all are. Me maybe a little faster than most, but it's all the same.

Now that is Faith in selfless Unity for Good. Thumbsup

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28-06-2016, 08:43 PM
RE: Christian with a question....
(28-06-2016 07:22 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  
(28-06-2016 07:03 PM)Aliza Wrote:  Posting scripture that is poorly interpreted can be offensive sometimes. Especially when there's willful ignorance at play.
Willful ignorance of what?

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Willful ignorance like when Christians post bible quotes that have been taken out of context or have been deliberately mistranslated to push a Jesus-agenda.
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28-06-2016, 08:45 PM
RE: Christian with a question....
(28-06-2016 08:43 PM)Aliza Wrote:  
(28-06-2016 07:22 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Willful ignorance of what?

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Willful ignorance like when Christians post bible quotes that have been taken out of context or have been deliberately mistranslated to push a Jesus-agenda.

You don't really think pops comprehended any of that do you?

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28-06-2016, 08:49 PM
RE: Christian with a question....
(28-06-2016 06:21 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  You are wrong if you think Islam doesn't consider Jesus/ Isa as the messiah.
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Patently false Pop's. In islam he is considered a prophet. Not a messiah.

This is like saying 1+1= an orange.

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