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24-12-2015, 09:53 PM
Christianity and politics
I'm debating the following proposition:

Christianity is the most potent political force in America.

I'm going to be defending the pro side, i.e., arguing that it's true.
  • Should I be arguing the pro side?
  • What arguments could I advance on the pro side?
  • What argument might I encounter on the con side?
  • If Christianity is not the most potent political force in America then what is?
  • I anticipate that my opponent will bring up the following on the con side:
    • Christianity's failure to prevent the prohibition of prayer in public school.
    • Christianity's failure to prevent the prohibition of the use of public school property for religious purposes.
    • Christianity's failure to prevent abortions-on-demand.
    • Christianity's failure to prevent the Supreme Court's "perversion of the meaning of and intent behind the First Amendment."
The debate starts Saturday night. Any thoughts.

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25-12-2015, 06:53 AM
RE: Christianity and politics
Probably a stat about how being an atheist ruins your chances for holding a public office in the US.

There is no doubt that Christian belief is the primary driver in the GOP. Ben Carson? Mike Huckabee? (a former pastor) Sarah Palin is a rank and file fundie.

Donald Trump continues his ridiculous pandering to the GOP's religious base, it may be what ends up getting him the nomination.

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25-12-2015, 07:45 AM
RE: Christianity and politics
Money is the most potent force in American politics. Drinking Beverage

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26-12-2015, 02:03 AM
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(25-12-2015 07:45 AM)Chas Wrote:  Money is the most potent force in American politics. Drinking Beverage

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30-12-2015, 10:18 AM
RE: Christianity and politics
You chose the wrong side. Christianity might have been the strongest force in American politics at one time but that is no longer the case.

The information in ancient libraries came from real minds of real people. The far more complex information in cells came from the far more intelligent mind of God.
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30-12-2015, 07:35 PM
RE: Christianity and politics
It's A potent force, and certainly a strong one in the GOP, but I'm not sure that claiming it is the most potent is warranted. Social justice is a stronger drive, as is the desire for economic strength. There might be differing opinions on how to address these drives, but they are generally stronger than religious drives.

Now if you wanted to argue it is the most potent force in the tea party you might have a better argument. I'm not even sure it's valid there.
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31-12-2015, 08:33 AM
RE: Christianity and politics
(30-12-2015 10:18 AM)theophilus Wrote:  You chose the wrong side. Christianity might have been the strongest force in American politics at one time but that is no longer the case.

It still is a strong force but the strongest force (idea) in American and many other countries' politics is the desire for the unearned, which is an idea that is promoted by religion as well as many others.

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31-12-2015, 10:17 AM
RE: Christianity and politics
(24-12-2015 09:53 PM)f stop Wrote:  [*]If Christianity is not the most potent political force in America then what is?

Fear. And let's face it, we'd be hard-pressed to find a group more susceptible to fear than hardcore Christians. It's essentially their core value and motivating factor.
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31-12-2015, 10:32 AM
RE: Christianity and politics
(25-12-2015 06:53 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  Probably a stat about how being an atheist ruins your chances for holding a public office in the US.

I'd question the validity of that, by asking how many atheists the ran for public office, had their chances ruined by their atheism?

Bernie Sanders seems to be an atheist, and he has a decent chance, and in fact a better chance than Donald Trump to win the office. His lack of belief doesn't seem to be too much of an issue, as much as his socialism.

And while Trump may pander to the religious base, and self-identifies as a believer, his religious beliefs seems so marginal and is quite embarrassing to the religious base. More of a liability than an asset here, and it's often exploited by his republican rivals.

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31-12-2015, 10:36 AM
RE: Christianity and politics
(31-12-2015 10:32 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(25-12-2015 06:53 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  Probably a stat about how being an atheist ruins your chances for holding a public office in the US.

I'd question the validity of that, by asking how many atheists the ran for public office, had their chances ruined by their atheism?

Bernie Sanders seems to be an atheist, and he has a decent chance, and in fact a better chance than Donald Trump to win the office. His lack of belief doesn't seem to be too much of an issue, as much as his socialism.

And while Trump may pander to the religious base, and self-identifies as a believer, his religious beliefs seems so marginal and is quite embarrassing to the religious base. More of a liability than an asset here, and it's often exploited by his republican rivals.

Bernie isn't an atheist and all you have to do is look at the polls for who people would vote for if they were otherwise qualified.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/155285/atheis...dates.aspx


A lot of Christitans are bigots and selectively ignore information and then make assumptions (like you questioning the validity of the fact-based claim) that are asinine and uninformed.

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