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13-07-2016, 05:28 PM
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
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13-07-2016, 05:28 PM
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
(13-07-2016 05:17 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  
(13-07-2016 04:31 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  I'm not too sure about other life.

I've heard some say animals don't have a soul, but I think they do.

I'm going to have to ask for qualification on that; what is a soul, precisely what does it do, and how does one establish its functions?
I would be lying if I said I could accurately describe it completely or what it does and doesn't consist of.

I'd like to think it is a unified aspect of life that is somehow tied to the conscience and the will of GOD. But that would be speculation really.



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13-07-2016, 05:30 PM
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(13-07-2016 05:24 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(13-07-2016 05:17 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  I'm going to have to ask for qualification on that; what is a soul, precisely what does it do, and how does one establish its functions?

Come on FT, everyone know the furry cute ones have souls, except for cats...cats are the demon’s spawn.

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13-07-2016, 05:35 PM
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
(13-07-2016 05:28 PM)pasadi97 Wrote:  Former atheist now orthodox saint about nihilism
http://oodegr.co/english/filosofia/nihil...rn_age.htm

Yet another crackpot living in a basement. Yeah, that's how my world is directed. Hobo
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13-07-2016, 07:44 PM
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
(13-07-2016 05:30 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  
(13-07-2016 05:24 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  Come on FT, everyone know the furry cute ones have souls, except for cats...cats are the demon’s spawn.

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I’m not saying cats can’t have a good purpose even without a soul.

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They make great insulation for instance.

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13-07-2016, 07:47 PM (This post was last modified: 13-07-2016 07:54 PM by RocketSurgeon76.)
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(13-07-2016 05:35 PM)Fireball Wrote:  
(13-07-2016 05:28 PM)pasadi97 Wrote:  Former atheist now orthodox saint about nihilism
http://oodegr.co/english/filosofia/nihil...rn_age.htm

Yet another crackpot living in a basement. Yeah, that's how my world is directed. Hobo

You really should read it. That's the best belly-laugh I've had in a long time. I just love it when they try to sound intellectual when talking about demons and invisible magic, etc.

I'd say "you just can't make this stuff up", but obviously, you can!

Fundamentalist Christian masturbatory fantasies about atheists converting once we see "the truth about demons and the Power of Christ™ revealed" are hilaaaaarious. I'd laugh more if I didn't find it so sad. That's why I usually recommend Sagan's book The Demon-Haunted World to them. These people really live in that world, and they desperately need the light of "Science as a Candle in the Dark", as Sagan put it.

Pasadi... if your goal is to convince us that you're all a bunch of whacked-out, crazy cultists whom we should avoid being like in any way, you're well on the path. Congratulations! Thumbsup

Edit to Add: Or to put it in terms you'll understand, Pasadi... "In the name of logic, reason, and the Scientific Method, I cast you out, demon of ignorance! Your bronze-age tribal mythologies shalt never again have power over these people!! May their brains begin to function again, free of the chains of presupposition and prejudice!!! R'amen."

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13-07-2016, 07:56 PM
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(13-07-2016 04:23 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  
(13-07-2016 03:48 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Uhm. I've said that before.

Really

But for real for real; hell is hugely misunderstood to be eternal torment.

It is lack of existence/ destruction.

You have to really do some research on the origins of the word and its misuse and or misinterpretation.

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Well pops two things

1) You should tell that to pasadi97 as he is the one stating Hell is our destiation for not accepting God.
2) The statement wasn't direct at you. (Thou you comment is accepted.) If it was I would have adjusted the statement to try to fit into your weebly wobbly woo.

I've done a fair amount of research on the subject of hell. Not only from my younger years in the catholic church but my years in college learing about he history of Dante's Inferno and current years as an Atheist.

But my statement still stands. No effective action was placed upon me. No zap into eternal non exsitance.
I'm glad.

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13-07-2016, 08:06 PM
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
(13-07-2016 07:47 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  
(13-07-2016 05:35 PM)Fireball Wrote:  Yet another crackpot living in a basement. Yeah, that's how my world is directed. Hobo

You really should read it. That's the best belly-laugh I've had in a long time. I just love it when they try to sound intellectual when talking about demons and invisible magic, etc.

I'd say "you just can't make this stuff up", but obviously, you can!

Fundamentalist Christian masturbatory fantasies about atheists converting once we see "the truth about demons and the Power of Christ™ revealed" are hilaaaaarious. I'd laugh more if I didn't find it so sad. That's why I usually recommend Sagan's book The Demon-Haunted World to them. These people really live in that world, and they desperately need the light of "Science as a Candle in the Dark", as Sagan put it.

Pasadi... if your goal is to convince us that you're all a bunch of whacked-out, crazy cultists whom we should avoid being like in any way, you're well on the path. Congratulations! Thumbsup

Edit to Add: Or to put it in terms you'll understand, Pasadi... "In the name of logic, reason, and the Scientific Method, I cast you out, demon of ignorance! Your bronze-age tribal mythologies shalt never again have power over these people!! May their brains begin to function again, free of the chains of presupposition and prejudice!!! R'amen."

10^2 likes, but I could only give one. I can't read that stuff for long. Facepalm Love that casting out of the demon! Bowing
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13-07-2016, 08:29 PM
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
(13-07-2016 08:06 PM)Fireball Wrote:  10^2 likes, but I could only give one. I can't read that stuff for long. Facepalm Love that casting out of the demon! Bowing

Thanks, bud. I did misrepresent the claims of Friar Seraphim Rose, there, a bit. Essentially, it's a giant catalog of straw-man arguments misrepresenting the claims of rationalists, then proceeding to chop them into little bitty fragments of straw.

One good example:

"Relative truth" is primarily represented, for our age, by the knowledge of science, which begins in observation, proceeds by logic, and progresses in orderly fashion from the known to the unknown. It is always discursive, contingent, qualified, always expressed in "relation" to something else, never standing alone, never categorical, never -absolute."

The unreflective scientific specialist sees no need for any other kind of knowledge; occupied with the demands of his specialty, he has, perhaps, neither time nor inclination for "abstract" questions that inquire, for example, into the basic presuppositions of that specialty. If he is pressed, or if his mind spontaneously turns to such questions, the most obvious explanation is usually sufficient to satisfy his curiosity: all truth is empirical, all truth is relative.

Either statement, of course, is a self-contradiction. The first statement is itself not empirical at all, but metaphysical; the second is itself an absolute statement. The question of absolute truth is raised first of all, for the critical observer, by such self-contradictions; and the first logical conclusion to which he must be led is this:, if there is any truth at all, it cannot be merely "relative." The first principles of modern science, as of any system of knowledge, are themselves unchangeable and absolute; if they were not there would be no knowledge at all, not even the most "reflective" knowledge, for there would be no criteria by which to classify anything as knowledge or truth.


He utterly misrepresents the claims about relative truth and knowledge held as tentatively true only to the degree to which it can be demonstrated, and pretends that scientists just focus on tiny specialties and never think about the topics outside their field of study... as if we do not receive a liberal arts education as part of our science degrees, or think about the ultimate questions any less than he does.

I am completely unfamiliar with any scientist who has ever claimed anything like "all truth is empirical, all truth is relative", a strawman and dead horse he spends quite a bit of his essay flogging. He makes massive leaps of illogic in his attempts to link methodological naturalism and philosophical naturalism, largely because the latter allows him to accuse those of us who use science of being (unknowingly) connected to communist and Nietzschean ideologies. It contains almost every straw-man imaginable, regarding our notions of morality and philosophy, and even goes so far as to suggest that we do all of what we do out of anger at God, right down to the all-too-common claim that we target only Christianity and not other idiotic belief systems (because, after all, we HAVE to target Christianity, since it is The Truth™, you see, and we just can't stand to face it).

Essentially, the entire essay is an exercise in douchebaggery. That anyone could read that and think "Yeah! That'll show those atheists!!" simply makes me sad for the person bringing that as an argument. I'd feel only sadness if not for the effects of these pious assholes and their zealotry on our society, but the latter compels me to feel a degree of contempt, as well.

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13-07-2016, 08:36 PM
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
(13-07-2016 05:28 PM)pasadi97 Wrote:  Former atheist now orthodox saint about nihilism
http://oodegr.co/english/filosofia/nihil...rn_age.htm


Nihilist about anything.

There is only one really serious philosophical question, and that is suicide. -Camus
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