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14-07-2016, 07:24 PM
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
(14-07-2016 04:34 PM)pasadi97 Wrote:  Heart Love you guys. The Heaven will be empty without you. You can escape atheism with some effort. Please try it for my sake.

No. If your alleged god is also maintaining a hell, I choose to go there instead. Go enjoy heaven if you want; *I've* got serious work to do, liberating everyone imprisoned by your god.
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14-07-2016, 07:30 PM
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
(14-07-2016 04:34 PM)pasadi97 Wrote:  Heart Love you guys. The Heaven will be empty without you.

I've already died once mate. Hate to tell you, but there is nothing after death.

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14-07-2016, 07:58 PM
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
(14-07-2016 07:30 PM)Banjo Wrote:  
(14-07-2016 04:34 PM)pasadi97 Wrote:  Heart Love you guys. The Heaven will be empty without you.

I've already died once mate. Hate to tell you, but there is nothing after death.

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Two people had to tell me about their NDE with their mouths. So pay attention cause is true. They spoke about their own NDE and said is true.
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14-07-2016, 08:05 PM (This post was last modified: 14-07-2016 08:27 PM by pasadi97.)
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
(14-07-2016 04:57 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  
(14-07-2016 04:34 PM)pasadi97 Wrote:  Heart Love you guys. The Heaven will be empty without you. You can escape atheism with some effort. Please try it for my sake.


About souls.

We today are souls in bodies. A body is like a cloth around the soul,. acloth that dumb down the soul.

A soul is more advanced. What I mean by this.

The vision of soul can see more colors. People in NDE explained they saw more colors they did not find here. Hearing of the soul can hear more noises, more frequency. Smelling is more improved.Tasting is improved. One in NDE said he could taste colors and sounds. I can not explain how that goes.

The vision of the soul can see unseen world, angels, etc and can see past and future.

The speed of moving of the soul is the speed of thought. You think you want here you are here already. You think you are there you go there. Instant. No transportation needed.

At death soul goes out of cloth named body and starts wandering around. This is why some NDE were able to reproduce discussions in three rooms distance and see what was on the roof. This is not brain, silly explanation since brain does not move. It is the soul going out in NDE. If person lives soul comes back and enter cloth named body.

Through prayer some people are able to have soul move out of the body and wander around from this life without any death.
Also through prayer some people can activate vision of the soul see angels and past and future.

NDEs are a well understood phenomenon; hallucinations caused by oxygen deprivation or sudden uptick in electrical activity (which is how we can manually induce them in test subjects). The experience of 'tasting or seeing' sound is a form of neurological occurrence known as synesthesia; which is when one sensory or cognitive pathway inadvertently triggers others. So hearing a given sound might lead to a synesthete experiencing a given taste or seeing a given colour. Some people are born with some form of synesthesia, and others 'acquire' it, usually temporarily after suffering from oxygen deprivation or ingesting hallucinogens.

What else do you have?

Death = the soul exits the cloth named body and wanders around. The cloth named body is thrown into ground and becomes dust, soul or you go to one destination Hell or Heaven.

Atheism gives you a great chance to go to Hell and do make an irreparable lost to me and to Heaven.

I have the proof that NDE is not brain activity but soul leaving the body. Why?

Because a priest that cleaned his vision and could see with soul vision and could see angels, souls said that he saw many sould going near coffins, levitating above the coffin at funerals. If it would be brain then what are the souls doing there why the people with soul vision can see souls?

Also Eastern Orthodox Church make prayers for departed at intervals of time, years, months after death. When these prayers are done, people that see souls say that the souls of the deceased for which the prayers are done by priest come there and can be seen. If they did bad or were atheists probable devils bring them, if they did well good angels bring them.

So how come brain activity when brain is in ground by many years and gone for a long time. No brain activity but soul. THat is proof.

Father Ilarion Argatu about seeing a soul after death https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1q0Zk7-zuE No translation available.
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14-07-2016, 08:10 PM
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
Fatbaldhobbit,

Yes I am interpreting them. No that does not mean I am changing them.

in·ter·pret

inˈtərprət/

verb

1.

explain the meaning of (information, words, or actions).

"the evidence is difficult to interpret"

synonyms:explain, elucidate,expound, explicate,clarify, illuminate,shed light on

"the rabbis interpret the Jewish laws"

decipher, decode,unscramble, make intelligible;

understand,comprehend, make sense of, figure out;

informalcrack

"the symbols are difficult to interpret"

change

CHānj/

verb

1.

make or become different.

"a proposal to change the law"

2.

take or use another instead of.

"she decided to change her name"

Tell me if you can interpret what I am about to state;

The parables spoken in the bible that are denoted as such are no longer such due to the fact that they are expounded upon. This effectively makes them not parables or riddles but relatively plain statements, or at least riddles or curious things with the answer or explanation being right there with it.

Please don't change the meaning of what I say if you do not understand it.

I'm sorry that you don't agree about praying in closet meaning praying in solitude, not for the sight of man, but between you and GOD.

Joel 2 (KJV) - ዮኤል
15: Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly:
16: Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.


Matthew 6 (KJV) - ማቴዎስ
4: That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
5: And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6: But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Luke 12 (KJV) - ሉቃስ
2: For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.
3: Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.


Maybe you still think it's talking about literal closets and not solitude or secret or privacy. Lets examine what is said about prayer;

Matthew 14 (KJV) - ማቴዎስ
23: And when he had sent the multitudes away, he went up into a mountain apart to pray: and when the evening was come, he was there alone.

Matthew 26 (KJV) - ማቴዎስ
36: Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder.
Mark 1 (KJV) - ማርቆስ
35: And in the morning, rising up a great while before day, he went out, and departed into a solitary place, and there prayed.

Mark 6 (KJV) - ማርቆስ
46: And when he had sent them away, he departed into a mountain to pray.

Luke 5 (KJV) - ሉቃስ
16: And he withdrew himself into the wilderness, and prayed.
Luke 20 (KJV) - ሉቃስ
47: Which devour widows' houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation.

Luke 22 (KJV) - ሉቃስ
41: And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,

The vast majority of scripture describing prayer shows that is to be done in solitude.

Surely you see my point now. Right?


I'm sorry that studying a thing continually for over a year doesn't coincide with the definition of inquiry for you. Might I ask what does?

The evidence is repeated and verifiable through core religious texts spanning geographical and temporal barriers. The information age is great.

I am exceedingly pleased to hear that you are still inquireing. That's a good thing for many obvious reasons.

Me asking you to justify a claim isn't me judging GOD.

I didn't say Jesus the Christ should have done anything differently and believe whole heartedly that He did everything He was ordained to do.

No, your goal was to assert a baseless claim based on faulty definitions or understanding of the word closet within particular contexts. We are like minded after all; as my goal too is to counter bullshit.

Pretty sure I already stated that my umwaveing belief is the precursor to bias. Thanks for reiterating this for your own reasons.

There is no eternal hell, as in torment. It is non existence which is permanent or eternal.

Anger and jealously are characteristics used to beat describe and justify the wrath of GOD. If you think cause and effect or action/reaction is cruel then I'm sorry.

Please feel free to show when I'm full of crap. I would expect nor want anything less.

A headache indeed could affect others through my agony of it was severe and I was weak.

You have shown your own logic to be haphazard and "developed" hastily. I hope my pointing these things out may help you to correct them for the sake of future discussions with anyone.


And like I said; I have considered these possibilities, and none fit.

Hallucinations would be the byproduct of drugs or sleep deprivation. Neither of which were the case, nor had they been for some time. Mental illness (at least to the point of confusing fantasy with reality) is generally marked by an inability to function within society, and a dependency on others. I was a functioning part of society with five dependants at the time, also progressing through the ranks quickly as a new hire.


Invoking GOD isn't claiming authority.
And I never said GOD "speaks" to me exactly. But maybe you didn't mean that in a literal sense.

Oh, so now you agree I have no authority...but you just... Never mind.

Very logical argument my friend.

That isn't me being dishonest. It's an attempt at sarcasm.

Peace













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14-07-2016, 08:19 PM
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
(14-07-2016 08:05 PM)pasadi97 Wrote:  
(14-07-2016 04:57 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  NDEs are a well understood phenomenon; hallucinations caused by oxygen deprivation or sudden uptick in electrical activity (which is how we can manually induce them in test subjects). The experience of 'tasting or seeing' sound is a form of neurological occurrence known as synesthesia; which is when one sensory or cognitive pathway inadvertently triggers others. So hearing a given sound might lead to a synesthete experiencing a given taste or seeing a given colour. Some people are born with some form of synesthesia, and others 'acquire' it, usually temporarily after suffering from oxygen deprivation or ingesting hallucinogens.

What else do you have?

Death = the soul exits the cloth named body and wanders around. The cloth named body is thrown into ground and becomes dust, soul or you go to one destination Hell or Heaven.

Atheism gives you a great chance to go to Hell and do make an irreparable lost to me and to Heaven.

I have the proof that NDE is not brain activity but soul leaving the body. Why?

Because a priest that clean hios vision and could see with soul vision and could see angels, souls said that he saw many sould going near coffins, levitating above the coffin at funerals. If it would be brain then what are the sould doing there why the people with soul vision can see souls?

Also Eastern Orthodox Church make p[rayers for departed at intervals of time, years, months after death. When these prayers are done, people that see souls say that the souls of the deceased for which the paryers are done by priest come there and can be seen. If they did bad or were atheists probable devils bring them, if they did well good angels bring them.

So how come brain activity when brain is in ground by many years and gone for a long time. No brain activity but soul. THat is proof.

Father Ilarion Argatu about seeing a soul after death https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1q0Zk7-zuE No translation available.

Word salad, unworthy of my time parsing what is unlikely to be any sort of reality.
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14-07-2016, 08:20 PM
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
(14-07-2016 08:10 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Fatbaldhobbit,

Yes I am interpreting them. No that does not mean I am changing them.

in·ter·pret

inˈtərprət/

verb

1.

explain the meaning of (information, words, or actions).

"the evidence is difficult to interpret"

synonyms:explain, elucidate,expound, explicate,clarify, illuminate,shed light on

"the rabbis interpret the Jewish laws"

decipher, decode,unscramble, make intelligible;

understand,comprehend, make sense of, figure out;

informalcrack

"the symbols are difficult to interpret"

change

CHānj/

verb

1.

make or become different.

"a proposal to change the law"

2.

take or use another instead of.

"she decided to change her name"

Tell me if you can interpret what I am about to state;

The parables spoken in the bible that are denoted as such are no longer such due to the fact that they are expounded upon. This effectively makes them not parables or riddles but relatively plain statements, or at least riddles or curious things with the answer or explanation being right there with it.

Please don't change the meaning of what I say if you do not understand it.

I'm sorry that you don't agree about praying in closet meaning praying in solitude, not for the sight of man, but between you and GOD.

Joel 2 (KJV) - ዮኤል
15: Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly:
16: Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.


Matthew 6 (KJV) - ማቴዎስ
4: That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
5: And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6: But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Luke 12 (KJV) - ሉቃስ
2: For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.
3: Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.


Maybe you still think it's talking about literal closets and not solitude or secret or privacy. Lets examine what is said about prayer;

Matthew 14 (KJV) - ማቴዎስ
23: And when he had sent the multitudes away, he went up into a mountain apart to pray: and when the evening was come, he was there alone.

Matthew 26 (KJV) - ማቴዎስ
36: Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder.
Mark 1 (KJV) - ማርቆስ
35: And in the morning, rising up a great while before day, he went out, and departed into a solitary place, and there prayed.

Mark 6 (KJV) - ማርቆስ
46: And when he had sent them away, he departed into a mountain to pray.

Luke 5 (KJV) - ሉቃስ
16: And he withdrew himself into the wilderness, and prayed.
Luke 20 (KJV) - ሉቃስ
47: Which devour widows' houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation.

Luke 22 (KJV) - ሉቃስ
41: And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,

The vast majority of scripture describing prayer shows that is to be done in solitude.

Surely you see my point now. Right?


I'm sorry that studying a thing continually for over a year doesn't coincide with the definition of inquiry for you. Might I ask what does?

The evidence is repeated and verifiable through core religious texts spanning geographical and temporal barriers. The information age is great.

I am exceedingly pleased to hear that you are still inquireing. That's a good thing for many obvious reasons.

Me asking you to justify a claim isn't me judging GOD.

I didn't say Jesus the Christ should have done anything differently and believe whole heartedly that He did everything He was ordained to do.

No, your goal was to assert a baseless claim based on faulty definitions or understanding of the word closet within particular contexts. We are like minded after all; as my goal too is to counter bullshit.

Pretty sure I already stated that my umwaveing belief is the precursor to bias. Thanks for reiterating this for your own reasons.

There is no eternal hell, as in torment. It is non existence which is permanent or eternal.

Anger and jealously are characteristics used to beat describe and justify the wrath of GOD. If you think cause and effect or action/reaction is cruel then I'm sorry.

Please feel free to show when I'm full of crap. I would expect nor want anything less.

A headache indeed could affect others through my agony of it was severe and I was weak.

You have shown your own logic to be haphazard and "developed" hastily. I hope my pointing these things out may help you to correct them for the sake of future discussions with anyone.


And like I said; I have considered these possibilities, and none fit.

Hallucinations would be the byproduct of drugs or sleep deprivation. Neither of which were the case, nor had they been for some time. Mental illness (at least to the point of confusing fantasy with reality) is generally marked by an inability to function within society, and a dependency on others. I was a functioning part of society with five dependants at the time, also progressing through the ranks quickly as a new hire.


Invoking GOD isn't claiming authority.
And I never said GOD "speaks" to me exactly. But maybe you didn't mean that in a literal sense.

Oh, so now you agree I have no authority...but you just... Never mind.

Very logical argument my friend.

That isn't me being dishonest. It's an attempt at sarcasm.

Peace

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TL;DR I repeat my comment to pasadi97 Word salad, unworthy of my time parsing what is unlikely to be any sort of reality. Do you really think that posting a list of fecal material like this will make you appear more intelligent? Pro tip. Nope.
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14-07-2016, 08:24 PM
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
(14-07-2016 07:58 PM)pasadi97 Wrote:  Two people had to tell me about their NDE with their mouths. So pay attention cause is true. They spoke about their own NDE and said is true.

Just because someone says something is true, that does not make it true. Facepalm
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(14-07-2016 07:58 PM)pasadi97 Wrote:  
(14-07-2016 07:30 PM)Banjo Wrote:  I've already died once mate. Hate to tell you, but there is nothing after death.

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Two people had to tell me about their NDE with their mouths. So pay attention cause is true. They spoke about their own NDE and said is true.

I can only speak from my own experience. You got yours second hand.

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14-07-2016, 08:26 PM (This post was last modified: 14-07-2016 08:31 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
(14-07-2016 07:58 PM)pasadi97 Wrote:  
(14-07-2016 07:30 PM)Banjo Wrote:  I've already died once mate. Hate to tell you, but there is nothing after death.
Two people had to tell me about their NDE with their mouths. So pay attention cause is true. They spoke about their own NDE and said is true.

The dude who continues to defy death against all odds trumps your couple of hearsay accounts. You don't seem to understand or appreciate how much this troubles me while considering your intellect. I think you might be stupid.

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