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19-07-2016, 04:47 AM
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
(19-07-2016 04:38 AM)pasadi97 Wrote:  If I make things more difficult for you is an unintended consequence. I like you and respect you very much.

The miiracles of Eastern orthodox Church are genuine.Everyone can go and see one of the YEARLY miracles:
On Easter the Holy Light descends on Holy Sepulcher Church and lights the candles of believers since Apostolic times
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99xvNIydfvQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9iq76V47Mw
On the day of Jesus baptism, on the place of Jesus baptism When Eastern Orthodox celebration is at a place when priest throws the cross in water, Jordan river reverses his flow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfmrqZwUjCQ
On the place of Jesus transfiguration on the time of Jesus transfigurastion a cloud of strange nature comes on mount Tabor.

WE know that flesh decays. We know that dead bodies decay and after hundred years we find just bones. Before decaying bodies emanate a foul smell.

Not so for some orthodox Saints orthodox saints. IN this movie, at the end of this movie you see body of a Saint that did not decayed for hundreds of years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcFHVhhwgq8
They emanate a Hevenly flagrance. Same bodies stream myrrh. Now exactly which organ produces myrrh after death. This every reasonable person will recognize as a miracle.

Pop you say that one year of discussion did not work. I think that discussion can work for stronger people that can escape atheism by themselves. For people with hardened hearth prayer works so you need to pray for them for God to soften their hearth and to help them escape atheism that leads to Hell.

I am not good at prayers otherwise I would pray myself. If people escaped atheism by themselves they can pray for people not able to escape.A prayer at 12am in midnight is like 40 prayers in daytime.

You fail to understand where you are. This is a website full of rationalists. We require testable evidence.

Youtube nonsense won't cut it.

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I will call him a liar and a dog here and now.
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19-07-2016, 05:08 AM (This post was last modified: 19-07-2016 05:44 AM by pasadi97.)
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
(19-07-2016 04:47 AM)Banjo Wrote:  
(19-07-2016 04:38 AM)pasadi97 Wrote:  If I make things more difficult for you is an unintended consequence. I like you and respect you very much.

The miiracles of Eastern orthodox Church are genuine.Everyone can go and see one of the YEARLY miracles:
On Easter the Holy Light descends on Holy Sepulcher Church and lights the candles of believers since Apostolic times
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99xvNIydfvQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9iq76V47Mw
On the day of Jesus baptism, on the place of Jesus baptism When Eastern Orthodox celebration is at a place when priest throws the cross in water, Jordan river reverses his flow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfmrqZwUjCQ
On the place of Jesus transfiguration on the time of Jesus transfigurastion a cloud of strange nature comes on mount Tabor.

WE know that flesh decays. We know that dead bodies decay and after hundred years we find just bones. Before decaying bodies emanate a foul smell.

Not so for some orthodox Saints orthodox saints. IN this movie, at the end of this movie you see body of a Saint that did not decayed for hundreds of years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcFHVhhwgq8
They emanate a Hevenly flagrance. Same bodies stream myrrh. Now exactly which organ produces myrrh after death. This every reasonable person will recognize as a miracle.

Pop you say that one year of discussion did not work. I think that discussion can work for stronger people that can escape atheism by themselves. For people with hardened hearth prayer works so you need to pray for them for God to soften their hearth and to help them escape atheism that leads to Hell.

I am not good at prayers otherwise I would pray myself. If people escaped atheism by themselves they can pray for people not able to escape.A prayer at 12am in midnight is like 40 prayers in daytime.

You fail to understand where you are. This is a website full of rationalists. We require testable evidence.

Youtube nonsense won't cut it.

You can go even in US and see the uncorrupted body of a Saint and do as much testing as you like.
Here are uncorrupted relics of St John the Wonderworker that are somewhere in California I believe.
http://www.byzcath.org/forums/ubbthreads...20John%20M

What you call need for testing I call hardened hearth that can be softened by prayer. Unfortunately I am not a good prayer person. This is why I won't be able to help many people.
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19-07-2016, 05:13 AM
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
(18-07-2016 10:32 PM)Banjo Wrote:  
(18-07-2016 08:35 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Banjo,

Universal reconsiliation

Colossians 1 (KJV) - ቆሎሴ
15: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. Colossians 1 (KJV) - ቆሎሴ
18: And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19: For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
20: And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

1 Corinthians 15 (KJV) - 1ይ ቆረንቶስ
22: For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23: But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24: Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Ephesians 1 (KJV) - ኤፌሶን
9: Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10: That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

There are plenty more.

All being fulfilled in that context means the same thing. All things of the scriptures fulfilled. As I the end of heaven and earth, and the beginning of the new heaven which will be wholly of GOD.


Reightiousness means equality in that context.

Leviticus 19 (KJV) - ዘሌዋውያን
13: Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.
14: Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.
15: Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour. Leviticus 19 (KJV) - ዘሌዋውያን
16: Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
17: Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18: Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Pretty much the same thing the Christ said.

Hebrews 13 (KJV) - እብራውያን
7: Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
8: Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
9: Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

It isn't speaking of government or dictatorship. It is another example of master and slave or steward as GOD and believer.

Acts 5 (KJV) - ግብሪ ሃዋ
28: Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.
29: Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
30: The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. This one is saying the same as the first. To follow GOD and not fear man.

I can't go into detail about how exactly all will be reconciled, but I believe it will be to do with an eventual unified understanding of scripture, and faith in GOD in general, and how it is tied to all life and existence.

None are righteous but Christ whom we are to emulate.








Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

Pop's, you do realise you are using scripture to contradict scripture, thus proving my point?
I'm not refuting scripture. I'm refuting you.

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19-07-2016, 05:17 AM
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
(19-07-2016 04:38 AM)pasadi97 Wrote:  
(18-07-2016 06:05 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Have you come here to make things more difficult for me? I'm not here to convert people, but you're quite possibly rewinding a year of conversation, as if it didn't happen. I have a hard enough time trying to convey what I mean, and difficulty getting people to actually listen, most probably because they've heard too many like you with their wild claims and even wilder "evidence".

They will here you a little better if you admit that you cannot prove some of these things that you are attempting to prove with freakin YouTube videos.

Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

If I make things more difficult for you is an unintended consequence. I like you and respect you very much.

The miiracles of Eastern orthodox Church are genuine.Everyone can go and see one of the YEARLY miracles:
On Easter the Holy Light descends on Holy Sepulcher Church and lights the candles of believers since Apostolic times
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99xvNIydfvQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9iq76V47Mw
On the day of Jesus baptism, on the place of Jesus baptism When Eastern Orthodox celebration is at a place when priest throws the cross in water, Jordan river reverses his flow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfmrqZwUjCQ
On the place of Jesus transfiguration on the time of Jesus transfigurastion a cloud of strange nature comes on mount Tabor.

WE know that flesh decays. We know that dead bodies decay and after hundred years we find just bones. Before decaying bodies emanate a foul smell.

Not so for some orthodox Saints orthodox saints. IN this movie, at the end of this movie you see body of a Saint that did not decayed for hundreds of years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcFHVhhwgq8
They emanate a Hevenly flagrance. Same bodies stream myrrh. Now exactly which organ produces myrrh after death. This every reasonable person will recognize as a miracle. For one Saint Spyridon, his body leaves for days and every year his shoes are torn and need to be changed.
https://orthodoxwiki.org/Spyridon_of_Trimythous
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Spyridon

Pop you say that one year of discussion did not work. I think that discussion can work for stronger people that can escape atheism by themselves. For people with hardened hearth prayer works so you need to pray for them for God to soften their hearth and to help them escape atheism that leads to Hell.

I am not good at prayers otherwise I would pray myself. If people escaped atheism by themselves they can pray for people not able to escape.A prayer at 12am in midnight is like 40 prayers in daytime.
I do not refute said miracles. I refute that they are the product of only the eastern orthodox church.

Peace friend

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19-07-2016, 05:39 AM
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
(19-07-2016 05:17 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  I do not refute said miracles. I refute that they are the product of only the eastern orthodox church.

1054 AD?

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19-07-2016, 06:43 AM
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
(19-07-2016 05:08 AM)pasadi97 Wrote:  
(19-07-2016 04:47 AM)Banjo Wrote:  You fail to understand where you are. This is a website full of rationalists. We require testable evidence.

Youtube nonsense won't cut it.

You can go even in US and see the uncorrupted body of a Saint and do as much testing as you like.
Here are uncorrupted relics of St John the Wonderworker that are somewhere in California I believe.
http://www.byzcath.org/forums/ubbthreads...20John%20M

What you call need for testing I call hardened hearth that can be softened by prayer. Unfortunately I am not a good prayer person. This is why I won't be able to help many people.

What you call "hardened hearth" (sic) is known as rational thought. Try it.

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19-07-2016, 06:50 AM
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
(19-07-2016 05:08 AM)pasadi97 Wrote:  What you call need for testing I call hardened hearth that can be softened by prayer. Unfortunately I am not a good prayer person. This is why I won't be able to help many people.

There are bones in the US of someone made a saint by the church? What does this prove?

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19-07-2016, 07:26 AM
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
(19-07-2016 05:08 AM)pasadi97 Wrote:  
(19-07-2016 04:47 AM)Banjo Wrote:  You fail to understand where you are. This is a website full of rationalists. We require testable evidence.

Youtube nonsense won't cut it.

You can go even in US and see the uncorrupted body of a Saint and do as much testing as you like.
Here are uncorrupted relics of St John the Wonderworker that are somewhere in California I believe.
http://www.byzcath.org/forums/ubbthreads...20John%20M

What you call need for testing I call hardened hearth that can be softened by prayer. Unfortunately I am not a good prayer person. This is why I won't be able to help many people.

You would make an excellent poster boy for The Gullible and the Indoctrinated.

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Oh, and by the way did you know...

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19-07-2016, 08:00 AM
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(19-07-2016 07:26 AM)Full Circle Wrote:  [Image: PS_1083W_GULLIBLE_ORANGES.jpg]

Orange is the new gullible? Consider

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19-07-2016, 08:35 AM
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
(19-07-2016 04:38 AM)pasadi97 Wrote:  
(18-07-2016 06:05 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Have you come here to make things more difficult for me? I'm not here to convert people, but you're quite possibly rewinding a year of conversation, as if it didn't happen. I have a hard enough time trying to convey what I mean, and difficulty getting people to actually listen, most probably because they've heard too many like you with their wild claims and even wilder "evidence".

They will here you a little better if you admit that you cannot prove some of these things that you are attempting to prove with freakin YouTube videos.

Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

If I make things more difficult for you is an unintended consequence. I like you and respect you very much.

The miiracles of Eastern orthodox Church are genuine.Everyone can go and see one of the YEARLY miracles:
On Easter the Holy Light descends on Holy Sepulcher Church and lights the candles of believers since Apostolic times
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99xvNIydfvQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9iq76V47Mw
On the day of Jesus baptism, on the place of Jesus baptism When Eastern Orthodox celebration is at a place when priest throws the cross in water, Jordan river reverses his flow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfmrqZwUjCQ
On the place of Jesus transfiguration on the time of Jesus transfigurastion a cloud of strange nature comes on mount Tabor.

WE know that flesh decays. We know that dead bodies decay and after hundred years we find just bones. Before decaying bodies emanate a foul smell.

Not so for some orthodox Saints orthodox saints. IN this movie, at the end of this movie you see body of a Saint that did not decayed for hundreds of years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcFHVhhwgq8
They emanate a Hevenly flagrance. Same bodies stream myrrh. Now exactly which organ produces myrrh after death. This every reasonable person will recognize as a miracle. For one Saint Spyridon, his body leaves for days and every year his shoes are torn and need to be changed.
https://orthodoxwiki.org/Spyridon_of_Trimythous
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Spyridon

Pop you say that one year of discussion did not work. I think that discussion can work for stronger people that can escape atheism by themselves. For people with hardened hearth prayer works so you need to pray for them for God to soften their hearth and to help them escape atheism that leads to Hell.

I am not good at prayers otherwise I would pray myself. If people escaped atheism by themselves they can pray for people not able to escape.A prayer at 12am in midnight is like 40 prayers in daytime.

This is hilarious! Here we have two religious loons, neither of which make a pinch of sense. And the guy with more "seniority" is complaining that the new loon is undoing his good work. Pops, you really are an irony mine.
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