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27-07-2016, 05:49 PM
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
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RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
James the Just was the Apostle in charge of Church from Bible acts of Apostles. From James the Just to todays Patriarch from Eastern Orthodox Church here is the list. No church can provide similar list no baptist, no non denominational church no seven day adventist church showing who is the Church that gates of Hell will not overcome it

James the Just (until 62)
Simeon I (62–107)
Justus I (107–113)
Zaccheus (113–???)
Tobias (???–???)
Benjamin I (???–117)
John I (117–???)
Matthias I (???–120)
Philip (???–124)
Senecas (???–???)
Justus II (???–???)
Levis (???–???)
Ephram (???–???)
Joseph I (???–???)
Judas (???–135)
Marcus (135–???)
Cassianus (???–???)
Poplius (???–???)
Maximus I (???–???)
Julian I (???–???)
Gaius I (???–???)
Symmachus (???)
Gaius II (???–162)
Julian II (162–???)
Capion (???–???)
Maximus II (???–???)
Antoninus (???–???)
Valens (???–???)
Dolichianus (???–185)
Narcissus (185–???)
Dius (???–???)
Germanion (???–???)
Gordius (???–211)
Narcissus (restored) (???–231)
Alexander (231–249)
Mazabanis (249–260)
Imeneus (260–276)
Zamudas (276–283)
Ermon (283–314)
Macarius I (314–333), since 325 Bishop of Jerusalem
Macarius I (325–333)
Maximus III (333–348)
Cyril I (350–386)
John II (386–417)
Praulius (417–422)
Juvenal (422–458), since 451 Patriarch
Juvenal (451–458)
Anastasius I (458–478)
Martyrius (478–486)
Sallustius (486–494)
Elias I (494–516)
John III (516–524)
Peter (524–552)
Macarius II (552, 564–575)
Eustochius (552–564)
John IV (575–594)
Amos (594–601)
Isaac (601–609)
Zacharias (609–632)
Modestus (632–634)
Sophronius I (634–638)
vacant (638–???)
Anastasius II (???–706)
John V (706–735)
Theodore (745–770)
Elias II (770–797)
George (797–807)
Thomas I (807–820)
Basileus (820–838)
John VI (838–842)
Sergius I (842–844)
vacant (844–855)
Solomon (855–860)
vacant (860–862)
Theodosius (862–878)
Elias III (878–907)
Sergius II (908–911)
Leontius I (912–929)
Athanasius I (929–937)
Christodolus (937–950)
Agathon (950–964)
John VII (964–966)
Christodolus II (966–969)
Thomas II (969–978)
vacant (978–980)
Joseph II (980–983)
Orestes (983–1005)
vacant (1005–1012)
Theophilus I (1012–1020)
Nicephorus I (1020–???)
Joannichius (???–???)
Sophronius II (???–1084)
Euthemius I (1084)
Simon II (1084–1106)
Savvas (1106–11??)
John VIII (11??–11??)
Nicolas (11??–11??)
John IX (1156–1166)
Nicephorus II (1166–1170)
Leontius II (1170–1190)
Dositheos I (1187–1189)
Marcus II (1191–???)
vacant (???–1223)
Euthemius II (1223)
Athanasius II (ca. 1231–1244)
Sophronius III (1236–???)
Gregory I (???–1298)
Thaddaeus (1298)
vacant (1298–1313)
Athanasius III (1313–1314)
vacant (1314–1322)
Gregory II (1322)
vacant (1322–1334)
Lazarus (1334–1368)
vacant (1368–1376)
Dorotheus I (1376–1417)
Theophilus II (1417–1424)
Theophanes I (1424–1431)
Joachim (1431–???)
vacant (???–1450)
Theophanes II (1450)
vacant (1450–1452)
Athanasius IV (1452–???)
vacant (???–1460)
Jacob II (1460)
vacant (1460–1468)
Abraham I (1468)
Gregory III (1468–1493)
vacant (1493–1503)
Marcus III (1503)
vacant (1503–1505)
Dorotheus II (1505–1537)
Germanus (1537–1579)
Sophronius IV (1579–1608)
Theophanes III (1608–1644)
Paiseus (1645–1660)
Nectarius I (1660–1669)
Dositheos II (1669–1707)
Chrysanthus (1707–1731)
Meletius (1731–1737)
Parthenius (1737–1766)
Ephram II (1766–1771)
Sophronius V (1771–1775)
Abraham II (1775–1787)
Procopius I (1787–1788)
Anthemus (1788–1808)
Polycarpus (1808–1827)
Athanasius V (1827–1845)
Cyril II (1845–1872)
Procopius II (1872–1875)
Hierotheus (1875–1882)
Nicodemus I (1883–1890)
Gerasimus I (1891–1897)
Damian I (1897–1931)
Timotheus I (1935–1955)
vacant (1955–1957)
Benedict I (1957–1980)
Diodoros I (1981–2000)
Irenaios I (2001–2005)
Theophilos III (2005–present)
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27-07-2016, 10:04 PM
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
(27-07-2016 08:35 PM)pasadi97 Wrote:  James the Just was the Apostle in charge of Church from Bible acts of Apostles. From James the Just to todays Patriarch from Eastern Orthodox Church here is the list. No church can provide similar list no baptist, no non denominational church no seven day adventist church showing who is the Church that gates of Hell will not overcome it

James the Just (until 62)
Simeon I (62–107)
Justus I (107–113)
Zaccheus (113–???)
Tobias (???–???)
Benjamin I (???–117)
John I (117–???)
Matthias I (???–120)
Philip (???–124)
Senecas (???–???)
Justus II (???–???)
Levis (???–???)
Ephram (???–???)
Joseph I (???–???)
Judas (???–135)
Marcus (135–???)
Cassianus (???–???)
Poplius (???–???)
Maximus I (???–???)
Julian I (???–???)
Gaius I (???–???)
Symmachus (???)
Gaius II (???–162)
Julian II (162–???)
Capion (???–???)
Maximus II (???–???)
Antoninus (???–???)
Valens (???–???)
Dolichianus (???–185)
Narcissus (185–???)
Dius (???–???)
Germanion (???–???)
Gordius (???–211)
Narcissus (restored) (???–231)
Alexander (231–249)
Mazabanis (249–260)
Imeneus (260–276)
Zamudas (276–283)
Ermon (283–314)
Macarius I (314–333), since 325 Bishop of Jerusalem
Macarius I (325–333)
Maximus III (333–348)
Cyril I (350–386)
John II (386–417)
Praulius (417–422)
Juvenal (422–458), since 451 Patriarch
Juvenal (451–458)
Anastasius I (458–478)
Martyrius (478–486)
Sallustius (486–494)
Elias I (494–516)
John III (516–524)
Peter (524–552)
Macarius II (552, 564–575)
Eustochius (552–564)
John IV (575–594)
Amos (594–601)
Isaac (601–609)
Zacharias (609–632)
Modestus (632–634)
Sophronius I (634–638)
vacant (638–???)
Anastasius II (???–706)
John V (706–735)
Theodore (745–770)
Elias II (770–797)
George (797–807)
Thomas I (807–820)
Basileus (820–838)
John VI (838–842)
Sergius I (842–844)
vacant (844–855)
Solomon (855–860)
vacant (860–862)
Theodosius (862–878)
Elias III (878–907)
Sergius II (908–911)
Leontius I (912–929)
Athanasius I (929–937)
Christodolus (937–950)
Agathon (950–964)
John VII (964–966)
Christodolus II (966–969)
Thomas II (969–978)
vacant (978–980)
Joseph II (980–983)
Orestes (983–1005)
vacant (1005–1012)
Theophilus I (1012–1020)
Nicephorus I (1020–???)
Joannichius (???–???)
Sophronius II (???–1084)
Euthemius I (1084)
Simon II (1084–1106)
Savvas (1106–11??)
John VIII (11??–11??)
Nicolas (11??–11??)
John IX (1156–1166)
Nicephorus II (1166–1170)
Leontius II (1170–1190)
Dositheos I (1187–1189)
Marcus II (1191–???)
vacant (???–1223)
Euthemius II (1223)
Athanasius II (ca. 1231–1244)
Sophronius III (1236–???)
Gregory I (???–1298)
Thaddaeus (1298)
vacant (1298–1313)
Athanasius III (1313–1314)
vacant (1314–1322)
Gregory II (1322)
vacant (1322–1334)
Lazarus (1334–1368)
vacant (1368–1376)
Dorotheus I (1376–1417)
Theophilus II (1417–1424)
Theophanes I (1424–1431)
Joachim (1431–???)
vacant (???–1450)
Theophanes II (1450)
vacant (1450–1452)
Athanasius IV (1452–???)
vacant (???–1460)
Jacob II (1460)
vacant (1460–1468)
Abraham I (1468)
Gregory III (1468–1493)
vacant (1493–1503)
Marcus III (1503)
vacant (1503–1505)
Dorotheus II (1505–1537)
Germanus (1537–1579)
Sophronius IV (1579–1608)
Theophanes III (1608–1644)
Paiseus (1645–1660)
Nectarius I (1660–1669)
Dositheos II (1669–1707)
Chrysanthus (1707–1731)
Meletius (1731–1737)
Parthenius (1737–1766)
Ephram II (1766–1771)
Sophronius V (1771–1775)
Abraham II (1775–1787)
Procopius I (1787–1788)
Anthemus (1788–1808)
Polycarpus (1808–1827)
Athanasius V (1827–1845)
Cyril II (1845–1872)
Procopius II (1872–1875)
Hierotheus (1875–1882)
Nicodemus I (1883–1890)
Gerasimus I (1891–1897)
Damian I (1897–1931)
Timotheus I (1935–1955)
vacant (1955–1957)
Benedict I (1957–1980)
Diodoros I (1981–2000)
Irenaios I (2001–2005)
Theophilos III (2005–present)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Orth..._Jerusalem
We just went over genealogies and along with tradition, there aren't exactly representative of what is meant by the congregation of Christ.

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RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
(27-07-2016 08:35 PM)pasadi97 Wrote:  James the Just was the Apostle in charge of Church from Bible acts of Apostles. From James the Just to todays Patriarch from Eastern Orthodox Church here is the list. No church can provide similar list no baptist, no non denominational church no seven day adventist church showing who is the Church that gates of Hell will not overcome it

James the Just (until 62)
Simeon I (62–107)
Justus I (107–113)
Zaccheus (113–???)
Tobias (???–???)
Benjamin I (???–117)
John I (117–???)
Matthias I (???–120)
Philip (???–124)
Senecas (???–???)
Justus II (???–???)
Levis (???–???)
Ephram (???–???)
Joseph I (???–???)
Judas (???–135)
Marcus (135–???)
Cassianus (???–???)
Poplius (???–???)
Maximus I (???–???)
Julian I (???–???)
Gaius I (???–???)
Symmachus (???)
Gaius II (???–162)
Julian II (162–???)
Capion (???–???)
Maximus II (???–???)
Antoninus (???–???)
Valens (???–???)
Dolichianus (???–185)
Narcissus (185–???)
Dius (???–???)
Germanion (???–???)
Gordius (???–211)
Narcissus (restored) (???–231)
Alexander (231–249)
Mazabanis (249–260)
Imeneus (260–276)
Zamudas (276–283)
Ermon (283–314)
Macarius I (314–333), since 325 Bishop of Jerusalem
Macarius I (325–333)
Maximus III (333–348)
Cyril I (350–386)
John II (386–417)
Praulius (417–422)
Juvenal (422–458), since 451 Patriarch
Juvenal (451–458)
Anastasius I (458–478)
Martyrius (478–486)
Sallustius (486–494)
Elias I (494–516)
John III (516–524)
Peter (524–552)
Macarius II (552, 564–575)
Eustochius (552–564)
John IV (575–594)
Amos (594–601)
Isaac (601–609)
Zacharias (609–632)
Modestus (632–634)
Sophronius I (634–638)
vacant (638–???)
Anastasius II (???–706)
John V (706–735)
Theodore (745–770)
Elias II (770–797)
George (797–807)
Thomas I (807–820)
Basileus (820–838)
John VI (838–842)
Sergius I (842–844)
vacant (844–855)
Solomon (855–860)
vacant (860–862)
Theodosius (862–878)
Elias III (878–907)
Sergius II (908–911)
Leontius I (912–929)
Athanasius I (929–937)
Christodolus (937–950)
Agathon (950–964)
John VII (964–966)
Christodolus II (966–969)
Thomas II (969–978)
vacant (978–980)
Joseph II (980–983)
Orestes (983–1005)
vacant (1005–1012)
Theophilus I (1012–1020)
Nicephorus I (1020–???)
Joannichius (???–???)
Sophronius II (???–1084)
Euthemius I (1084)
Simon II (1084–1106)
Savvas (1106–11??)
John VIII (11??–11??)
Nicolas (11??–11??)
John IX (1156–1166)
Nicephorus II (1166–1170)
Leontius II (1170–1190)
Dositheos I (1187–1189)
Marcus II (1191–???)
vacant (???–1223)
Euthemius II (1223)
Athanasius II (ca. 1231–1244)
Sophronius III (1236–???)
Gregory I (???–1298)
Thaddaeus (1298)
vacant (1298–1313)
Athanasius III (1313–1314)
vacant (1314–1322)
Gregory II (1322)
vacant (1322–1334)
Lazarus (1334–1368)
vacant (1368–1376)
Dorotheus I (1376–1417)
Theophilus II (1417–1424)
Theophanes I (1424–1431)
Joachim (1431–???)
vacant (???–1450)
Theophanes II (1450)
vacant (1450–1452)
Athanasius IV (1452–???)
vacant (???–1460)
Jacob II (1460)
vacant (1460–1468)
Abraham I (1468)
Gregory III (1468–1493)
vacant (1493–1503)
Marcus III (1503)
vacant (1503–1505)
Dorotheus II (1505–1537)
Germanus (1537–1579)
Sophronius IV (1579–1608)
Theophanes III (1608–1644)
Paiseus (1645–1660)
Nectarius I (1660–1669)
Dositheos II (1669–1707)
Chrysanthus (1707–1731)
Meletius (1731–1737)
Parthenius (1737–1766)
Ephram II (1766–1771)
Sophronius V (1771–1775)
Abraham II (1775–1787)
Procopius I (1787–1788)
Anthemus (1788–1808)
Polycarpus (1808–1827)
Athanasius V (1827–1845)
Cyril II (1845–1872)
Procopius II (1872–1875)
Hierotheus (1875–1882)
Nicodemus I (1883–1890)
Gerasimus I (1891–1897)
Damian I (1897–1931)
Timotheus I (1935–1955)
vacant (1955–1957)
Benedict I (1957–1980)
Diodoros I (1981–2000)
Irenaios I (2001–2005)
Theophilos III (2005–present)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Orth..._Jerusalem

That vacant dude must’ve be elected like what? Fifteen or sixteen different times and in different centuries no less! Impressive.

Anyway too bad every Eastern Orthodox follower after 1054 AD will be going to hell for leaving the One True Catholic and Apostolic Church, so there’s that. Drinking Beverage

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27-07-2016, 11:54 PM
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
(27-07-2016 08:35 PM)pasadi97 Wrote:  James the Just was the Apostle in charge of Church from Bible acts of Apostles. From James the Just to todays Patriarch from Eastern Orthodox Church here is the list. No church can provide similar list no baptist, no non denominational church no seven day adventist church showing who is the Church that gates of Hell will not overcome it

So what? Its true because its old?

List of Pharaohs
This list spans over a time of 3500 years, something your little cult cant even dream of.
Does Ra exist? Isis? Osiris? Horus? Seth?
Ok, Seth does exist, of course. Facepalm

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RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
(27-07-2016 10:04 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  
(27-07-2016 08:35 PM)pasadi97 Wrote:  James the Just was the Apostle in charge of Church from Bible acts of Apostles. From James the Just to todays Patriarch from Eastern Orthodox Church here is the list. No church can provide similar list no baptist, no non denominational church no seven day adventist church showing who is the Church that gates of Hell will not overcome it

James the Just (until 62)
Simeon I (62–107)
Justus I (107–113)
Zaccheus (113–???)
Tobias (???–???)
Benjamin I (???–117)
John I (117–???)
Matthias I (???–120)
Philip (???–124)
Senecas (???–???)
Justus II (???–???)
Levis (???–???)
Ephram (???–???)
Joseph I (???–???)
Judas (???–135)
Marcus (135–???)
Cassianus (???–???)
Poplius (???–???)
Maximus I (???–???)
Julian I (???–???)
Gaius I (???–???)
Symmachus (???)
Gaius II (???–162)
Julian II (162–???)
Capion (???–???)
Maximus II (???–???)
Antoninus (???–???)
Valens (???–???)
Dolichianus (???–185)
Narcissus (185–???)
Dius (???–???)
Germanion (???–???)
Gordius (???–211)
Narcissus (restored) (???–231)
Alexander (231–249)
Mazabanis (249–260)
Imeneus (260–276)
Zamudas (276–283)
Ermon (283–314)
Macarius I (314–333), since 325 Bishop of Jerusalem
Macarius I (325–333)
Maximus III (333–348)
Cyril I (350–386)
John II (386–417)
Praulius (417–422)
Juvenal (422–458), since 451 Patriarch
Juvenal (451–458)
Anastasius I (458–478)
Martyrius (478–486)
Sallustius (486–494)
Elias I (494–516)
John III (516–524)
Peter (524–552)
Macarius II (552, 564–575)
Eustochius (552–564)
John IV (575–594)
Amos (594–601)
Isaac (601–609)
Zacharias (609–632)
Modestus (632–634)
Sophronius I (634–638)
vacant (638–???)
Anastasius II (???–706)
John V (706–735)
Theodore (745–770)
Elias II (770–797)
George (797–807)
Thomas I (807–820)
Basileus (820–838)
John VI (838–842)
Sergius I (842–844)
vacant (844–855)
Solomon (855–860)
vacant (860–862)
Theodosius (862–878)
Elias III (878–907)
Sergius II (908–911)
Leontius I (912–929)
Athanasius I (929–937)
Christodolus (937–950)
Agathon (950–964)
John VII (964–966)
Christodolus II (966–969)
Thomas II (969–978)
vacant (978–980)
Joseph II (980–983)
Orestes (983–1005)
vacant (1005–1012)
Theophilus I (1012–1020)
Nicephorus I (1020–???)
Joannichius (???–???)
Sophronius II (???–1084)
Euthemius I (1084)
Simon II (1084–1106)
Savvas (1106–11??)
John VIII (11??–11??)
Nicolas (11??–11??)
John IX (1156–1166)
Nicephorus II (1166–1170)
Leontius II (1170–1190)
Dositheos I (1187–1189)
Marcus II (1191–???)
vacant (???–1223)
Euthemius II (1223)
Athanasius II (ca. 1231–1244)
Sophronius III (1236–???)
Gregory I (???–1298)
Thaddaeus (1298)
vacant (1298–1313)
Athanasius III (1313–1314)
vacant (1314–1322)
Gregory II (1322)
vacant (1322–1334)
Lazarus (1334–1368)
vacant (1368–1376)
Dorotheus I (1376–1417)
Theophilus II (1417–1424)
Theophanes I (1424–1431)
Joachim (1431–???)
vacant (???–1450)
Theophanes II (1450)
vacant (1450–1452)
Athanasius IV (1452–???)
vacant (???–1460)
Jacob II (1460)
vacant (1460–1468)
Abraham I (1468)
Gregory III (1468–1493)
vacant (1493–1503)
Marcus III (1503)
vacant (1503–1505)
Dorotheus II (1505–1537)
Germanus (1537–1579)
Sophronius IV (1579–1608)
Theophanes III (1608–1644)
Paiseus (1645–1660)
Nectarius I (1660–1669)
Dositheos II (1669–1707)
Chrysanthus (1707–1731)
Meletius (1731–1737)
Parthenius (1737–1766)
Ephram II (1766–1771)
Sophronius V (1771–1775)
Abraham II (1775–1787)
Procopius I (1787–1788)
Anthemus (1788–1808)
Polycarpus (1808–1827)
Athanasius V (1827–1845)
Cyril II (1845–1872)
Procopius II (1872–1875)
Hierotheus (1875–1882)
Nicodemus I (1883–1890)
Gerasimus I (1891–1897)
Damian I (1897–1931)
Timotheus I (1935–1955)
vacant (1955–1957)
Benedict I (1957–1980)
Diodoros I (1981–2000)
Irenaios I (2001–2005)
Theophilos III (2005–present)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Orth..._Jerusalem
We just went over genealogies and along with tradition, there aren't exactly representative of what is meant by the congregation of Christ.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

See pops your hearth is hardened. You will not come back to Church of Jesus based on discussion you need prayer to get the many great things Jesus put in his Church that Churches established by men lost. You keep the lies of churches established by men close to your hearth. Common you have to choose between Church established by Jesus Eastern Orthodox Church and Church established by men. Its a no brain decision since eternal life and entrance to Heaven come from Jesus not from men.

Without prayer you will remain in Church established by men with all the consequences. You can study hardened hearth on yourself and see what works and what doesn't. Discussion looks like doesn't work.

You can pray:
Dear God teach me what religion and denomination is best in your eyes and please move me there. Amen. I did not say best religion and denomination in my eyes but in God eyes since God knows better.
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28-07-2016, 07:11 AM (This post was last modified: 28-07-2016 07:21 AM by popsthebuilder.)
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
pasadi97,

My heart isn't herdened towards any congregation.

Why do you say that I will not come back to eastern orthodox? And why do you say I am predisposed to believe in any particular church?
Why do you say I keep the lies of men close at heart?

Let me explain some things to you so that you will stop confusing me with yourself;

I never left any church. I have never been a member of any particular church or congregation.

The doctrines I hold close to my heart are the ones that were shone to be true to me through revelation and the selfless conscience, not any word of any man.

Why do I have to choose between churches? And why do you think I care about heaven or eternity? Do you not know that heaven too is temporal?

You know not what you speak of, yet continue to speak.

You answer no relevent questions that I ask. Do you think I ask them for no reason? If it was truely your will to convert me then you would at least take the time to answer the questions I pose, as they are relative to my beliefs and yours.

You want to accuse me of things, but cannot back up your accusations in any way.

I humbly ask, and sincerely hope that you set asside your own preconceptions of what you think to be right based on the doctrines of man. Your faith is counted for righteousness, but how much more could you be doing for the will of GOD if you weren't vailed by the doctrines of man that you accuse others of.

If my heart is hardened at all, it is towards myself and my lack of capability at this time.

Peace



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28-07-2016, 07:18 AM
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
So I've learned from this thread that Orthodox Atheism is the way to be

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28-07-2016, 07:40 AM
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(28-07-2016 05:04 AM)pasadi97 Wrote:  
(27-07-2016 10:04 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  We just went over genealogies and along with tradition, there aren't exactly representative of what is meant by the congregation of Christ.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

See pops your hearth is hardened. You will not come back to Church of Jesus based on discussion you need prayer to get the many great things Jesus put in his Church that Churches established by men lost. You keep the lies of churches established by men close to your hearth. Common you have to choose between Church established by Jesus Eastern Orthodox Church and Church established by men. Its a no brain decision since eternal life and entrance to Heaven come from Jesus not from men.

Without prayer you will remain in Church established by men with all the consequences. You can study hardened hearth on yourself and see what works and what doesn't. Discussion looks like doesn't work.

You can pray:
Dear God teach me what religion and denomination is best in your eyes and please move me there. Amen. I did not say best religion and denomination in my eyes but in God eyes since God knows better.

Pray? Why? If your god "has a plan" for everyone then prayer is useless redundancy. If prayer actually worked (which it's been proven to not do a damn thing) then this means your god is not omniscient, is a piss poor deity and not worthy of worship.

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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28-07-2016, 08:56 AM
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
(28-07-2016 07:40 AM)dancefortwo Wrote:  Pray? Why? If your god "has a plan" for everyone then prayer is useless redundancy. If prayer actually worked (which it's been proven to not do a damn thing) then this means your god is not omniscient, is a piss poor deity and not worthy of worship.

Indeed. Prayer is essentially human vanity, pretending that one has the ability to alter the plans of a god.

Furthermore, a god that has to be prayed to, in order to get it to not torture people for eternity, is evil. A god worth worshiping should be at least as moral and sensible as mortals, but Pasadi's imaginary fiend appears to be neither moral nor sensible. If the barmy bugger actually existed I'd have to destroy it to save humanity, but for the moment I see no evidence for it and no need to hunt it down.
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