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04-08-2016, 04:09 AM (This post was last modified: 04-08-2016 04:17 AM by pasadi97.)
RE: Christianity for busy thinking people
I showed you that Jesus and Apostles created Eastern Orthodox Church and that first leader was James the Just one of the 12 Apostles. Eastern Orthodox Church is the Church from Acts of Apostles, the Church that gave Bible to the world. In Acts of the Apostles you can see clear who started Eastern Orthodox Church and when.

Pops if I make my Church and do everything so you believe is right would you come to my Church? I can not give you salvation neither eternal life. Jesus can give both salvation and eternal life and Jesus made his own Church the Eastern Orthodox Church.

Also what difference would be between my Church and Church of Smith or of White or any of the 35000 denominations started by people after 1500?
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04-08-2016, 04:58 AM
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(03-08-2016 11:19 PM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  At work.

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Hello Pops! Thumbsup

Might you please list your 'Sins' and their 'Whys' and contexts and such please?
I'll list the most apparent ones to start. Some are hard for me to put into words.

But the most obvious that I knowingly fight against or am aware of before I do them are smoking cigarettes; I have copd and approximately 50% lung capacity, maybe worse. It's been a few years since I've gotten a pulmonary function test, at which time they said my lungs were at 60% efficiency or whatever. Anyway; it's effectively killing me and destroying my temple or body. I know this yet continue. That is known sin. The second is much like the first. I justify smoking pot because it is an expectorant and keeps me calm. This is hypocritical though, as any smoke or dust or foreign thing that I breath in is very damaging to my wakened lungs. The temporary calm wears off and I can I will be on edge, ready to snap on any little thing. This is knowing sin for multiple reasons. Lungs, hypocrisy,amf knowing that quoting all together along with cigarettes would bring me more peace and health than any level of habitual smoking. My anger and eagerness and willingness to snap was taken from me years ago, but by this idol worship(placing anything above the will of God) I knowingly reject this gift in a way by choosing to actively "remedy" myself, which is really just a cop out cuz its fn killing me. The last really obvious one that stands out prior to the act is masturbation, more specifically; viewing pornography. Though this may not be a sin unto death, it is still an addiction or a matter of greed. One need not relieve themselves as it is done by natural processes when not attended to. It is a thing of personal want and filth, and needless. It too is an addiction, a want of the flesh if you will. It is against what I should be doing, because I have an opportunity for things, and continuing in this particular sin, or any for that matter, negates said opportunity or effectively throws it out as if the will of God in my life is irrelevant.

Anyway that's a start. We can discuss them or others.

I ask that people don't mock me too much over these things I've listed. They are very real to me, and not just because they are listed in the book. Smoking and porn aren't even expressly mentioned in the bible. Hinted at though.

Now I want to discuss them.

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04-08-2016, 05:12 AM
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(04-08-2016 04:09 AM)pasadi97 Wrote:  I showed you that Jesus and Apostles created Eastern Orthodox Church and that first leader was James the Just one of the 12 Apostles. Eastern Orthodox Church is the Church from Acts of Apostles, the Church that gave Bible to the world. In Acts of the Apostles you can see clear who started Eastern Orthodox Church and when.

Pops if I make my Church and do everything so you believe is right would you come to my Church? I can not give you salvation neither eternal life. Jesus can give both salvation and eternal life and Jesus made his own Church the Eastern Orthodox Church.

Also what difference would be between my Church and Church of Smith or of White or any of the 35000 denominations started by people after 1500?
You won't be making anything. It would be the will of God, not you. Error.

You know what... Never mind. You've asked this before and I've explained it before. If you can't answer my questions then at least stop asking me the same ones. I don't know what the difference would be in these churches you mention, except for doctrinal differences. Again I wouldn't go to church seeking salvation or Christ. It is stated that the Christ isn't hidden or far off, nor do you need to go looking for It. It is within each and every one of us. So what point would there be in going to your church? I can be reminded of the word of God in "church" on Sunday, and risk observing some man twisting the Word of GOD to their liking, or I can study it I'm any form or fashion at any time or place by myself. I do go to church buildings at times. Generally run down, small places. But even this is off putting at times, and uncomfortable for others perhaps; seeing a stranger in your small church who looks like a Muslim with tears flowing freely from their face during service can be cause for concern for some. Most do take it quite well, but you can sense the disquiet it causes. I'd rather not disturb others in their attempts to be pleasing to God, I can have church by myself, and get fellowship from others on the internet, without bothering others or being the odd one out so much.

It's actually getting hard for me to type the word peace towards you.

That's really saying something.

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04-08-2016, 06:21 AM
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(04-08-2016 01:10 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  
(03-08-2016 08:58 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  Do you know that Satan created the Eastern Orthodoix (sic) Church to fool Real Believers and cause them to go to hell? It’s true, I saw that on a youtube video.

If orthodoxy is the only right way, why is the byzantine empire no more? Why was the biggest church in christianity (for almost 1000 years!) converted into a mosque of all things (for the next 600 years!) and then to a museum? Why had the byzantine empire to fall in order to give rise to the ottoman empire (of all empires) which threatened the rest of christianity for centuries and was stopped just at the gates of a catholic empire (austria) supported by an catholic alliance?

Why was it a catholic faction who stopped the muslim conquest of western europe for good in western france in the 8th century?
Why was it another catholic kingdom who was successful to push back the muslims from the iberian peninsula instead of getting wiped out like Byzantium, and then spreading its faith to the americas even?

What is a continuous list of patriarchs worth compared to all this?

Why did god let all this happen?
Is true Catholics stopped turks. Anyhow at one time Arians were most numerous and powerfull and were proven wrong.

When people asked God about which one is right Orthodox or Catholic the answer was orthodox.
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04-08-2016, 07:34 AM
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(04-08-2016 06:21 AM)pasadi97 Wrote:  When people asked God about which one is right Orthodox or Catholic the answer was orthodox.

But the Easter Bunny is Catholic??? And so is Mary the mother of God. Beat that, Orthodox scum!

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04-08-2016, 07:42 AM
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Where was this question asked?

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04-08-2016, 09:05 AM
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(04-08-2016 06:21 AM)pasadi97 Wrote:  Anyhow at one time Arians were most numerous and powerfull and were proven wrong.

They weren't "proven wrong" -- They were essentially beaten up by the non-Arians.

I think you are all wrong and that your god is a fiction.
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04-08-2016, 09:07 AM
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(04-08-2016 07:34 AM)morondog Wrote:  But the Easter Bunny is Catholic???

No, the Easter Bunny is a close personal friend of Mine, and is a strictly secular rabbit who does not discuss his beliefs or lack thereof.
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04-08-2016, 09:44 AM
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(04-08-2016 06:21 AM)pasadi97 Wrote:  When people asked God about which one is right Orthodox or Catholic the answer was orthodox.

...and then god went on and watched the orthodox christian empire being destroyed and several other catholic kingdoms defending christianity and prevailing over the next 1500 years.

Completely reasonable. Facepalm

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04-08-2016, 10:38 AM
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I'm still laughing at where he thinks the Campus Crusade for Christ is an Orthodox faction in the USA... those guys couldn't be more Southern Baptist/Evangelical if they tried!

(Much later than I typed the above...)

Good grief. The sadness in my heart. I was looking up the CCFC (aka "Cru") to see if it was somehow different than it was in the days when I was a member (and still a Christian) back in the early 1990s... and I see it is not. But I came across this blog entry by a Christian who was a member of Cru and dared to voice on his blog the audacious thought that God loved everyone, and when chastised by his group leaders (and vehemently berated by members), said God did not want people to be submissive to authority which said to hate:

“Ryan,” he shook his head and looked me in the eyes, “God absolutely hates you.”

I glanced down, uncomfortable.

“God does not hate anyone.”

“See, this is exactly what I’m talking about,” he said, smiling, pulling up Chapter 2 from the book of Revelation on his iPhone. “You really need to submit to the scriptures more. God loves you but he also hates you. And it is right for him to hate and kill and to tell us to hate or kill whoever he wants!”

I glanced at the words on the phone he handed me, a sentence from the final book of the Bible:

“But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.”

“Do you see? God hates you.”

“You mean love the sinner, hate the sin,” I tried, feeling like I now was beginning to understand his point.

“No. Not just your sin. You. God hates sinners with a righteous fire. What’s more, he commands us to hate people who believe the wrong things. Like the Nicolaitans.”

Like Red Letter Christians.

I sat still, for I had never heard such anger in my friend’s voice.

Images of my atheist, Jewish, Greek Orthodox, Liberal Christian, and Muslim friends flashed before my eyes. Not only, was I being told, did God hate them, but also that he commanded me to hate them as well.

“God does not hate anyone, and we are not supposed to hate people either. Maybe their sins, but not them,” I said, surer now. “Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him. You can’t hate people and call yourself a Christian. That’s the point of Christianity.”

My friend told me I was being “unsubmissive to authority” and “selective in my scriptural interpretation.”


(Bold represents italics in original.)

https://arealrattlesnake.com/2013/03/23/...or-christ/

So, yeah... Campus Crusade for Christ, everbody!

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