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24-02-2015, 02:30 PM
RE: Christianity with no afterlife
(24-02-2015 11:01 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  You'd hardly find conversation stories of folks who became Christian because they were so terribly afraid of hell.

Most people are not converted into Christians, but brainwashed from childhood on. And, yes, the fear of hell keeps them in line when young, and the hope for heaven when they are old.

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24-02-2015, 02:35 PM (This post was last modified: 25-02-2015 05:31 AM by Chas.)
RE: Christianity with no afterlife
"No afterlife" renders Christian theology incoherent.

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24-02-2015, 02:36 PM
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Since Christianity was invented to control, removing the two main controlling features would have rendered it toothless.
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24-02-2015, 04:36 PM (This post was last modified: 24-02-2015 04:54 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Christianity with no afterlife
(24-02-2015 02:35 PM)Chas Wrote:  "No afterlife' renders Christian theology incoherent.

Nah. No more than it renders the Code of Hammurabi or Taoism or Confucianism or Buddhism or the Egyptian Ma'at or the Ancient Greeks or Indian Sanskrit or Tamil or Shintoism incoherent.

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24-02-2015, 05:06 PM
RE: Christianity with no afterlife
(24-02-2015 04:36 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(24-02-2015 02:35 PM)Chas Wrote:  "No afterlife' renders Christian theology incoherent.

Nah. No more than it renders the Code of Hammurabi or Taoism or Confucianism or Buddhism or the Egyptian Ma'at or the Ancient Greeks or Indian Sanskrit or Tamil or Shintoism incoherent.

Only if you mean it was already incoherent. Consider

Without an afterlife, there is no salvation. No salvation, no point.

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24-02-2015, 05:38 PM
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(24-02-2015 01:36 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  It would die the death! The Bible talks about the injustices of this world that are only fully corrected in the next. If Stalin is forgiven in the next world, what a merciful God! If Stalin suffers for snuffing millions of lives and oppressing 100 million others, what a righteous God!

Stalin is forgiven in the next life. All he has to do is believe on his deathbed. Christianity doesn't measure good or bad in this life in order to decide between heaven and hell. It measures belief or non-belief. The entire moral system ultimately resolves down to belief=good, non-belief=evil.

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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24-02-2015, 05:39 PM (This post was last modified: 24-02-2015 05:43 PM by GirlyMan.)
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(24-02-2015 05:06 PM)Chas Wrote:  Without an afterlife, there is no salvation.

Why not? Salvation in the religious sense is the saving of the soul from sin and its consequences. To the extent that the concept of a soul presupposes neither dualism nor permanence, salvation is not incoherent.

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24-02-2015, 07:25 PM
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(24-02-2015 05:39 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(24-02-2015 05:06 PM)Chas Wrote:  Without an afterlife, there is no salvation.

Why not? Salvation in the religious sense is the saving of the soul from sin and its consequences. To the extent that the concept of a soul presupposes neither dualism nor permanence, salvation is not incoherent.

Saving the soul to where?
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24-02-2015, 07:27 PM
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(24-02-2015 07:25 PM)pablo Wrote:  
(24-02-2015 05:39 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Why not? Salvation in the religious sense is the saving of the soul from sin and its consequences. To the extent that the concept of a soul presupposes neither dualism nor permanence, salvation is not incoherent.

Saving the soul to where?

Saving the soul from Chuck Norris wrath.

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24-02-2015, 07:43 PM
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(24-02-2015 07:25 PM)pablo Wrote:  
(24-02-2015 05:39 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Why not? Salvation in the religious sense is the saving of the soul from sin and its consequences. To the extent that the concept of a soul presupposes neither dualism nor permanence, salvation is not incoherent.

Saving the soul to where?

Saving the soul from itself. Fucker's got one hell of an appetite.

(24-02-2015 07:27 PM)Leo Wrote:  
(24-02-2015 07:25 PM)pablo Wrote:  Saving the soul to where?

Saving the soul from Chuck Norris wrath.

Chuck Norris has no soul.

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