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20-08-2015, 03:28 PM
RE: Christians and Evolution - A resource for those in question
(20-08-2015 10:15 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  ---
God... Christians piss me off.

Forgive them, Kingsy ... they know not what they do. Wink

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20-08-2015, 04:28 PM
RE: Christians and Evolution - A resource for those in question
(20-08-2015 03:28 PM)kim Wrote:  
(20-08-2015 10:15 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  ---
God... Christians piss me off.

Forgive them, Kingsy ... they know not what they do. Wink

Church people piss me off,
Patriotic zealots piss me off just as much,
And a combination of the above, are twice the PISS OFF.

But people with love in their hearts, who care about others, usually only piss off others when others are full of unidgested matter.

But Yes, most piss offers dont realize why they are such a piss OFF.
They are unthinking whether athiests or diestists.
Real people consider others
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21-08-2015, 09:22 AM
RE: Christians and Evolution - A resource for those in question
(20-08-2015 04:28 PM)Davidjayjordan Wrote:  
(20-08-2015 03:28 PM)kim Wrote:  Forgive them, Kingsy ... they know not what they do. Wink

Church people piss me off,
Patriotic zealots piss me off just as much,
And a combination of the above, are twice the PISS OFF.

But people with love in their hearts, who care about others, usually only piss off others when others are full of unidgested matter.

But Yes, most piss offers dont realize why they are such a piss OFF.
They are unthinking whether athiests or diestists.
Real people consider others

You piss me off (although I'm pretty sure you're a Poe). If you're for real, your approach towards outreach does more harm than good. Take a look at your rep... now mine... who do you think has a better audience with atheists?

Your approach is intrusive, insulting, and ineffective, and actually produces more angst and hostility towards other Christians. What is more, you destroy the bridgework that people like myself and my brother try to create with others that are not Christians... which is probably your goal... since I think you're a fake and a Poe.

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21-08-2015, 10:13 AM
RE: Christians and Evolution - A resource for those in question
KC - Respectfully, I disagree about him being a Poe's Law violation. I have known many people who are so embedded in the delusion that they actually think this way. Ask your brother about some of the conversations he has doubtless had with congregants in the Southern Baptist churches where he has preached; those guys go for a bit less "crystals and the Golden Ratio" woo-woo than MockingJay, here, but they're pretty hardcore when it comes to the way they look at science and reason. They see them as threats to their faith (rightly so, in their particular version of faith), so they'll do anything, say anything, think anything in order to "serve God" by attacking the threat.

And you're right, it does great harm to Christianity. I am quite literally an atheist now as a result of having run into a preacher who taught things, in an attempt to insulate the congregation from learning about real science by building up a strawman, so clearly falsifiable even to my 17 year old brain that I went out and did just that. Then I dissected my (previously) truly-held religious beliefs and finally admitted, five years later, that I was an agnostic atheist. It was not until I was about to graduate from college that I began to meet Christians who were educated about what science actually says, who worked in science, etc., and did not build their religious beliefs upon such a poor bedrock as denying science.

Unfortunately, the arrogance of someone who spends so much of their energy making up false versions of evolution to "tear down" and declare Victory for the Lawd™ just seems to be too powerful for them to stop with the ego and actually think critically about what they're doing, no matter how many times we point out that they have (deliberately or inadvertently) lied about what science is and what we know about nature.

"Theology made no provision for evolution. The biblical authors had missed the most important revelation of all! Could it be that they were not really privy to the thoughts of God?" - E. O. Wilson
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22-08-2015, 02:07 AM
RE: Christians and Evolution - A resource for those in question
(19-08-2015 12:59 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  I'm proud of my brother, though. He has a lot more to lose than I ever did when it came to confessing Calvinism or Evolutionary Creationism. I'm prouder still that he can remain humble and gracious towards these dickbags that renounce him as a "true" believer and question his Christianity.

He's much more forgiving than I could ever be.

See... me. I'm an out and out asshole, and I'll happily show them this:

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Prove me wrong using scripture, language, context, science, logic, and history, and will gladly recant my theological beliefs and be open to yours for reconciliation. But if yours can't hold up to the scrutiny mine can, I ain't got time for your drivel and your pretentious attitude.

[i]"Prove me wrong using scripture, language, context, science, logic, and history, and will gladly recant my theological beliefs and be open to yours for reconciliation."[/i]

Let's pick a topic and go the boxing ring. I will be respectful.Tongue

PS. I don't have any theological beliefs, because I can't believe something about nothing, so you needn't worry about being open to mine.
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22-08-2015, 02:13 AM
RE: Christians and Evolution - A resource for those in question
(22-08-2015 02:07 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(19-08-2015 12:59 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  I'm proud of my brother, though. He has a lot more to lose than I ever did when it came to confessing Calvinism or Evolutionary Creationism. I'm prouder still that he can remain humble and gracious towards these dickbags that renounce him as a "true" believer and question his Christianity.

He's much more forgiving than I could ever be.

See... me. I'm an out and out asshole, and I'll happily show them this:

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Prove me wrong using scripture, language, context, science, logic, and history, and will gladly recant my theological beliefs and be open to yours for reconciliation. But if yours can't hold up to the scrutiny mine can, I ain't got time for your drivel and your pretentious attitude.

[i]"Prove me wrong using scripture, language, context, science, logic, and history, and will gladly recant my theological beliefs and be open to yours for reconciliation."[/i]

Let's pick a topic and go the boxing ring. I will be respectful.Tongue

PS. I don't have any theological beliefs, because I can't believe something about nothing, so you needn't worry about being open to mine.

I believe KC is referring to other Christians. Consider

Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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22-08-2015, 02:21 AM
RE: Christians and Evolution - A resource for those in question
(22-08-2015 02:13 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(22-08-2015 02:07 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  [i]"Prove me wrong using scripture, language, context, science, logic, and history, and will gladly recant my theological beliefs and be open to yours for reconciliation."[/i]

Let's pick a topic and go the boxing ring. I will be respectful.Tongue

PS. I don't have any theological beliefs, because I can't believe something about nothing, so you needn't worry about being open to mine.

I believe KC is referring to other Christians. Consider

Oh. Yep, you're right. Damn. I can't get anyone in that ring.
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24-08-2015, 12:09 PM
RE: Christians and Evolution - A resource for those in question
Jared's new article about Genesis and how it assigns function instead of "creating".

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24-08-2015, 02:23 PM
RE: Christians and Evolution - A resource for those in question
(19-08-2015 11:22 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(19-08-2015 10:50 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  I may have missed this from elsewhere, but what does he do for a living?

He was a Baptist pastor, but the constant friction of his "liberal" beliefs and Calvinism caused various churches to get rid of him. He now has a "regular" job and uses his blog as his way to be a pastor.

Or, "uses his blog as a way to piss people off" lol I've been run out of churches for so many reasons, its getting hard to keep track Big Grin
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24-08-2015, 02:26 PM
RE: Christians and Evolution - A resource for those in question
(19-08-2015 01:04 PM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  Tell your brother I said an atheist said thank you for this, as I will lead people to this when I debate them on the evolution subject.

Thank you for that. Thumbsup
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