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02-02-2013, 02:14 AM
Christians and Global Warming
Here's one that I don't understand. Why are fundamentalist Christians so ardently opposed to Global Warming?

I understand why they cannot accept evolution; to do so means they are acknowledging the creation story in Genesis is false and new species of animals can arise without God's input, but Global Warming? Nowhere in the Bible is this subject mentioned yet they overwhelmingly oppose it. It would make more sense for Christians to be environmentally conscious; we were placed on Earth by God to be stewards and caretakers of all the living things on it. Polluting the planet therefore would make you a poor steward.

Maybe there's something here I don't get.

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02-02-2013, 02:24 AM
RE: Christians and Global Warming
I thought it was "Pirates and Global Warming"?

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02-02-2013, 02:30 AM
RE: Christians and Global Warming
Maybe it's just the ones that disregard all of science, being ignorant and spreading shit about global warming being a hoax.
or maybe they refuse to believe that god put them on a planet that was heating up, and will eventually become the burning hell they fear? Tongue

Who knows, people do stupid things, especially the religious.

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02-02-2013, 02:42 AM
RE: Christians and Global Warming
The earth warming is just God hugging us tighter.
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02-02-2013, 05:57 AM
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I have seen a strong link between evolution denial and denial of climate science in my encounters with theists. It's like there's a population of theists who feel like science was once trustworthy but that the whole thing has now been overrun. They know that evolution is false, so everything any scientist says that doesn't agree with their already known facts / biblical revelation past the point that science accepted evolution is also highly suspicious.

I don't know what the figures look like between a general right wing denial of climate science and the specific theistic right wing denial. I don't know whether denial is stronger, weaker or unchanged between the two groups... but certainly much of the justification I have heard for an anti-climate-science stance seems rooted in "well, if they have evolution wrong then they probably have this wrong too - after all God promised to look after us (Matthew 6:25-34) and he just wouldn't let this happen".

Also - "planning is socialism" isn't it? (Ludwig von Mises) Wink

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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02-02-2013, 07:40 AM
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(02-02-2013 05:57 AM)Hafnof Wrote:  I have seen a strong link between evolution denial and denial of climate science in my encounters with theists. It's like there's a population of theists who feel like science was once trustworthy but that the whole thing has now been overrun. They know that evolution is false, so everything any scientist says that doesn't agree with their already known facts / biblical revelation past the point that science accepted evolution is also highly suspicious.

I don't know what the figures look like between a general right wing denial of climate science and the specific theistic right wing denial. I don't know whether denial is stronger, weaker or unchanged between the two groups... but certainly much of the justification I have heard for an anti-climate-science stance seems rooted in "well, if they have evolution wrong then they probably have this wrong too - after all God promised to look after us (Matthew 6:25-34) and he just wouldn't let this happen".

Also - "planning is socialism" isn't it? (Ludwig von Mises) Wink
Agreed.

Another thing which plays into it is the idiotic notion that the more of established science they can "disprove" the more real God is...
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02-02-2013, 07:47 AM
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I think the reason they rail against global warming is financial. A lot of wealthy Talibangelicals have a lot of investments in fossil fuels. They spread misinformation causing doubt just as they do with evolution. Sheep and even fence sitters fall for their tactics and further spread the misinformation. Governor Rick Perry of Texas and others like him are your typical instigators.

Google "wedge theory climate change" and "wedge theory intelligent design" or "wedge strategy" to see how scary these folks can be.

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02-02-2013, 09:00 AM
RE: Christians and Global Warming
Well, it's global warming caused by people, a little bit more than it is the earth isn't getting warmer, at least now.

I made the point in your On guns, where does one draw the line, thread, about fanaticism in debates, comparing it to religion, which was apparently "childish and unhelpful".

Well, global warming is another example. If I said I wanted to ban all guns, how would you respond, how would you argue, what type of evidence would you present, because of your ideology, political view, world view, etc?

It's the exact same thing. There are people who like burning, have liked burning and/or make lots of money off of fossil fuels (you could easily substitute, shooting for burning, and guns for fossil fuels). Some people may, or may not, really like fossil fuels, or may, or may not, care much about people making money off of them; however, they still might be libertarians or anarchists and just view it as wrong for people to tell other people, specifically by making laws, not to doing something that those people want to do, and thus might be inclined to take a certain line of belief and argument against global warming.

With Christian fundamentalist, it just so happens that they tend (a correlation) to be libertarian, conservative and/or right-wing, they might also tend to live in rural areas or small towns, etc., which then contributes to their views on issues, including global warming. It's factors like that, cultural, ideological, that are going into it. It's also going into how they interpret the Bible.

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02-02-2013, 09:29 AM
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And being an atheist means you you believe in man made global warming?
This planet has been through so many climate changes without our help.
Between Ice Ages and warmings and everything in between there is nothing we can do to
change what the earth has in store for us next. It's like saying their are things we
can do stop hurricanes, tornadoes and earthquakes. It's like shit, it happens.

And why shouldn't a business make money off of oil. You work hard to start and build a business,
of course you want to make money, that's what makes it a successful business.
It does not matter whether you are selling oil or hotdogs on a street corner.
I guess that makes me a good old fashion American, freedom loving, capitalists.

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02-02-2013, 10:20 AM (This post was last modified: 02-02-2013 10:24 AM by Adenosis.)
RE: Christians and Global Warming
(02-02-2013 09:00 AM)TrulyX Wrote:  Well, it's global warming caused by people, a little bit more than it is the earth isn't getting warmer, at least now.

I've read this 10 times and it still doesn't make sense to me Tongue

(02-02-2013 09:29 AM)smidgen Wrote:  And being an atheist means you you believe in man made global warming?
This planet has been through so many climate changes without our help.
Between Ice Ages and warmings and everything in between there is nothing we can do to
change what the earth has in store for us next.

I am not sure if fossil fuels are causing global warming or not, I do not have enough research to say either way. However one day we will run out, and it's best we prepare by setting up green energy sources like solar power fields.

(02-02-2013 09:29 AM)smidgen Wrote:  It's like saying their are things we can do stop hurricanes, tornadoes and earthquakes. It's like shit, it happens.

I don't see anything limiting us from preventing hurricanes or tornadoes in the future as we continue to advance, I have doubt that we will be able to do the same with earthquakes though.

(02-02-2013 09:29 AM)smidgen Wrote:  And why shouldn't a business make money off of oil. You work hard to start and build a business,
of course you want to make money, that's what makes it a successful business.
It does not matter whether you are selling oil or hotdogs on a street corner.
I guess that makes me a good old fashion American, freedom loving, capitalists.

Why shouldn't a buisness make money off of oil? Well if it is having an impact on global temperature then there's your reason. I think money is rather useless if we make our planet uninhabitable.

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