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09-06-2013, 10:39 PM
Christians and their funny feelings.
Please read this and laugh. It is one long winded way of the old Christian argument I've heard summarized as "I have a fuzzy feeling so god exists" or "I have a warm feeling so I understand this, its so complex, you don't understand, stop using logic, we'll transcend humanity."

Don't know if the guy's even Christian, actually, but it sounds like that sort of thing. In any case, its a stupid argument but its really funny to look at. Oh wait, surely I'm just not having faith enough, I don't understand, its all so complex, I should go and calm my inner soul...

Laughable. Just laughable. If there's any other funny stuff on this guy's blog I'd love to see it.

"Hitchens: No Understanding of Religion

Reading Christopher Hitchens' Mortality I was struck once again by how people like him have no understanding of religion at all. Lacking as they do any religious sense, they can only (mis)understand it from the outside as if it were just a set of strange doctrines. They don't seem to understand that the doctrines are "necessary makeshifts," to borrow a fine phrase from F. H. Bradley, whereby we undertake to understand the Transcendent. Failing to appreciate the provisional character of doctrines and dogmatic formulations, people like Hitchens seize upon them as if they were the reality represented and then look for contradictions and absurdities. And of course they find them. For example, Hitchens sees an absurdity in prayer:

The man who prays is the one who thinks that god has arranged matters all wrong, but also thinks that he can instruct god how to put them right. Half-buried in the contradiction is the distressing idea that nobody is in charge, or nobody with any moral authority. The call to prayer is self-cancelling. (Mortality, pp. 21-22)

The context makes this this little 'chemo-brain' outburst even less clear, if that is possible. Prayer, we are told, is the attempt to instruct God on how to set right what he has has got "all wrong." Now that has nothing to do with what anyone who actually prays means by 'prayer.' Take Plotinus (205-270):

The only way truly to pray is to approach alone the One who is Alone [All-One]. To contemplate that One, we must withdraw into the inner soul, as into a temple, and be still. (Enneads)

Did chatterbox Hitchens ever withdraw into his inner soul and be still? No? Then what right does he have to speak of these matters? This from the Talmud:

He who rises from prayer a better man, his prayer is answered.

The point here, I take it, is that we don't pray to change God so much as to change and improve ourselves. If we succeed in this, if we succeed in stilling our thoughts, mastering our desires, strengthening our resolutions, and re-directing our aspirations from the base to the noble, then we have succeeded in improving ourselves and our prayer has been answered. Here, in a similar vein, is Ralph Waldo Emerson from his great essay "Self-Reliance":

Prayer that craves a particular commodity, — any thing less than all good, — is vicious. Prayer is the contemplation of the facts of life from the highest point of view.

Hitchens has no understanding of religion or of prayer. The two are closely linked as William James observed:

Prayer is religion in act; that is, prayer is real religion. (Varieties of Religious Experience, 464)

In his profound incomprehension, Hitchens takes prayer in its crassest petitionary sense, oblivious of the iceberg submerged beneath that paltry tip.

Lacking as he does the religious sensibility, Hitchens is devoid of all sympathy for it, and can't see anything good in it. His understanding of it is the misundertanding of the outsider. To understand religion from the outside is like trying to understand music from the outside as a peculiar sort of acoustic disturbance. But religion, like music, chess, love, poetry, mathematics, running, science . . . can only be understood from the inside by those who engage in these activities and have the inner predisposition and talent to engage in them."

Here's the original article by the way: http://maverickphilosopher.typepad.com/m...igion.html

"Seek out argument and disputation for their own sake; the grave will supply plenty of time for silence."

-Christoper Hitchens, "Letters to a Young Contrarian."
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09-06-2013, 10:55 PM
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"The context makes this this little 'chemo-brain' outburst even less clear, if that is possible."

Mmmyes... what a sympathetic and sensitive person. Dodgy What a piece of shit.

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09-06-2013, 11:01 PM
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(09-06-2013 10:55 PM)kim Wrote:  "The context makes this this little 'chemo-brain' outburst even less clear, if that is possible."

Mmmyes... what a sympathetic and sensitive person. Dodgy What a piece of shit.

Yeah, you can feel the Christian love oozing from the guy... I mean, I know Hitchens ripped into people, but you'd expect a guy with a calm inner soul like this maverick philosopher to not make fun of cancer, y'know...?

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09-06-2013, 11:06 PM
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The guy's a ridiculous asshole - Hitch actually went to church - he went to many different kinds of churches all his life. He wasn't "outside looking in", he was inside and saw it for what it really was; he was a fucking whistle blower, if anything.

Hitch was a champion of truth. Angel

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09-06-2013, 11:08 PM
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(09-06-2013 11:06 PM)kim Wrote:  The guy's a ridiculous asshole - Hitch actually went to church - he went to many different kinds of churches all his life. He wasn't "outside looking in", he was inside and saw what it for what it really was; he was a fucking whistle blower, if anything.

Hitch was a champion of truth. Angel

Hitch even discusses the Varieties of Religious Experience (which mav phil quotes above) in God is Not Great a little. Sigh. Will these people ever learn?

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