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17-02-2015, 10:47 PM
RE: Church vs Government - Who's more violent?
(17-02-2015 05:31 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  I&I..?

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17-02-2015, 10:55 PM
RE: Church vs Government - Who's more violent?
(17-02-2015 10:43 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  Church is voluntary. Government is compulsory.

Meanwhile, in pretty much all of history's theocracies...


Isn't a theocracy just government? and aren't all governments just individuals controlling other individuals against their will?
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17-02-2015, 11:27 PM
RE: Church vs Government - Who's more violent?
Not paying your taxes to a government on which you are completely and utterly dependent for your survival is a rational reason to charge you with a crime.

And a government is not a tangible object or sentient being. Even the most restrictive, non-democratic governments are simply organizations of individuals who set that government up due to the fact that societies in anarchy inevitably face a fate much worse than taxes. To say that individuals are governed against their will is to oversimplify the concept of what government is.

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17-02-2015, 11:29 PM
RE: Church vs Government - Who's more violent?
(17-02-2015 10:55 PM)Anti Wrote:  
(17-02-2015 10:43 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  Church is voluntary. Government is compulsory.

Meanwhile, in pretty much all of history's theocracies...


Isn't a theocracy just government? and aren't all governments just individuals controlling other individuals against their will?

A theocracy is a state in which there is no functional difference between the church and the government; they are one in the same: the ruling body, usually religious officials, sit in governmental capacity and act on church doctrine.

And no, all governments aren't individuals being 'controlled against their will', unless you intend on redefining dictatorships and autocracies to include democracies.

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17-02-2015, 11:38 PM
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"And no, all governments aren't individuals being 'controlled against their will', unless you intend on redefining dictatorships and autocracies to include democracies"
--- Aren't all your examples considered different forms of government?

So what is the difference if religious people are controlling everyone else against their will or millionaire white guys?

Has there ever been a 'government' anywhere at anytime in history that did not have compulsory taxes and forced people to pay them?
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17-02-2015, 11:43 PM
RE: Church vs Government - Who's more violent?
(17-02-2015 11:38 PM)Anti Wrote:  Has there ever been a 'government' anywhere at anytime in history that did not have compulsory taxes and forced people to pay them?

The U.S. originally gave its states the right to decide whether or not they'd like to pay taxes. They all decided not to, and that lasted all of about two minutes. Alas, a nation cannot exist without funding, and the law had to be modified.

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17-02-2015, 11:49 PM (This post was last modified: 17-02-2015 11:53 PM by yakherder.)
RE: Church vs Government - Who's more violent?
And I suppose Somalia was, for a time, theoretically tax free after the government collapsed.

Churches need funding to run. Governments need funding to run. The people who use their services, whether by requirement or choice, must provide that funding.

The issue is that a government is a necessary entity, while a church is a waste of resources.

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18-02-2015, 12:26 AM
RE: Church vs Government - Who's more violent?
(17-02-2015 11:49 PM)yakherder Wrote:  while a church is a waste of resources.

Some of them look nice... and in the past they were focal points of the community surrounding... (still are in a lot of places). Religion's not bad bad from a social cohesion point of view - just for the individual who's beyond the pale it can be a bit awkward... y'know, getting burnt at the stake and all...

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18-02-2015, 06:31 AM
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Nah, I think FT got it, Luminon.

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18-02-2015, 06:51 AM
RE: Church vs Government - Who's more violent?
(18-02-2015 06:31 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Nah, I think FT got it, Luminon.

Say what?

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