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01-05-2013, 12:47 PM (This post was last modified: 01-05-2013 12:56 PM by fmanh2.)
Churh financials
Being a swede I try to understand the relevance of religion on the north Americas. In the Swedish society religion is a non issue, and a very private matter. The vast majority are functional atheists, and asking someone about religious beliefs is akin to asking them about their favourite sex position.

At any rate, it is my understanding that people in the good old usa starts to associate describe themselves as nones. Although the majority of them still describes themselves as spiritual the important thing here is the unaffiliation, at some point this should show up in the revenue for the religious industry. My question is in short; Is this the case? I have been able to dig up some information from Pew and empty tomb that points in that direction.

But whats your take on this?
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01-05-2013, 12:51 PM
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I'm not entirely sure if I understand the question.

Are you asking if church revenue reflects the percentage of people who claim Christianity as their religion?

If so, no... not even close. Most churches struggle month to month.

There are the money mill mega-millionaire churches... but they aren't the most abundant churches in the US.

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01-05-2013, 01:02 PM
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(01-05-2013 12:47 PM)fmanh2 Wrote:  Being a swede I try to understand the relevance of religion on the north Americas. The Swedish society religion is a non issue, and a very private matter. The vast majority is functional atheists, and asking someone about religious beliefs is akin to asking them about their favourite sex position.

At any rate, it is my understanding that people in the good old usa starts to associate describe themselves as nones. Allthough the majority of them still describes themselves as spiitual the important things here is theunaffiliation, at some point this
should show up in the revenue for the religious industry. My question is in short; Is this the case? I have been able to dig up some information from Pew and empty tomb that points in that direction.

But whats your take on this?

This is the result of people answering what they think the questioner wants to hear rather than what they actually do. Church attendance has been steadily declining for 40 years to the point now that a significant portion of churches are nearly empty or have cut back on the number of services. Of course this is an overall statistic so individual churches may vary.

Now as to the Pew polls it seems like people are no longer relating Christian with being a good person. Or rather that they don't have to be one to be the other. Kids that grew up with Parents that were just Christmas and Easter christians seem to be more likely to just reject the entire church thing and leave organised religion entirely. Thus you get the "Nones" that have some kind of vague diest approach that they don't really think about that much.

For every hardcore bible thumper I know I can probably name 15 people that haven't stepped in a church in years except for a wedding or a funeral (and even the funerals tend to take place outside of churches). I think this is why so many of the thumpers are so desperate to change this trend through adding creationism or even ratifying Christianity as the official state religion (see North Carolina). They see the way this is playing out and the shift in momentum is towards the nonbeliever not the fundies. Honestly their end of days talk makes much more sense if you realise it is the end of days for their church being a major power rather than the end of the secular world.

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01-05-2013, 01:03 PM
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I am sorry if I where unclear in my question; I simply wondered if the revenue for the religious industry (I tend to see churches as an industry) has started to decline due to the rise of the nones? Logically this should happen at some point.
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01-05-2013, 01:10 PM
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(01-05-2013 01:02 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 12:47 PM)fmanh2 Wrote:  Being a swede I try to understand the relevance of religion on the north Americas. The Swedish society religion is a non issue, and a very private matter. The vast majority is functional atheists, and asking someone about religious beliefs is akin to asking them about their favourite sex position.

At any rate, it is my understanding that people in the good old usa starts to associate describe themselves as nones. Allthough the majority of them still describes themselves as spiitual the important things here is theunaffiliation, at some point this
should show up in the revenue for the religious industry. My question is in short; Is this the case? I have been able to dig up some information from Pew and empty tomb that points in that direction.

But whats your take on this?

This is the result of people answering what they think the questioner wants to hear rather than what they actually do. Church attendance has been steadily declining for 40 years to the point now that a significant portion of churches are nearly empty or have cut back on the number of services. Of course this is an overall statistic so individual churches may vary.

Now as to the Pew polls it seems like people are no longer relating Christian with being a good person. Or rather that they don't have to be one to be the other. Kids that grew up with Parents that were just Christmas and Easter christians seem to be more likely to just reject the entire church thing and leave organised religion entirely. Thus you get the "Nones" that have some kind of vague diest approach that they don't really think about that much.

For every hardcore bible thumper I know I can probably name 15 people that haven't stepped in a church in years except for a wedding or a funeral (and even the funerals tend to take place outside of churches). I think this is why so many of the thumpers are so desperate to change this trend through adding creationism or even ratifying Christianity as the official state religion (see North Carolina). They see the way this is playing out and the shift in momentum is towards the nonbeliever not the fundies. Honestly their end of days talk makes much more sense if you realise it is the end of days for their church being a major power rather than the end of the secular world.

Ok I get it. The Halo effect in full swing I guess. About the end of days, I gather your quite right it is more their end of days their worrying about... Well the death throws can be violent and potentially lethal for the immediate surroundings... As said, I am a Swede, I am trying to grasp the significance of religion in a society, this is new stuff.
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01-05-2013, 05:24 PM
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I guess that depends on where you live in the U.S.A. I live in the bible belt. There's a church on every corner. Most of them are pretty small because it's a rural area. But I seldom meet anyone who doesn't claim to be religious and doesn't claim to go to church regularly. While the amount of money could be thought of as small, per church, It would be enormous on the whole! They all seem to have enough to support "missions" (Vacations) in other contries. My gut reaction is that the amounts of money generated in the U.S. for religious exploitation is ENORMOUS! America is full of fools!
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01-05-2013, 05:31 PM
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(01-05-2013 05:24 PM)Ameron1963 Wrote:  My gut reaction is that the amounts of money generated in the U.S. for religious exploitation is ENORMOUS! America is full of fools!

Dodgy Your comment rankles me even though I despise religion.

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01-05-2013, 09:12 PM
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(01-05-2013 01:03 PM)fmanh2 Wrote:  I am sorry if I where unclear in my question; I simply wondered if the revenue for the religious industry (I tend to see churches as an industry) has started to decline due to the rise of the nones? Logically this should happen at some point.

Another interesting correlation is the decline in online porn memberships that coincides with the decline in church attendance...

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01-05-2013, 11:40 PM
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(01-05-2013 09:12 PM)bbeljefe Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 01:03 PM)fmanh2 Wrote:  I am sorry if I where unclear in my question; I simply wondered if the revenue for the religious industry (I tend to see churches as an industry) has started to decline due to the rise of the nones? Logically this should happen at some point.

Another interesting correlation is the decline in online porn memberships that coincides with the decline in church attendance...

I guess a lot of inhibition simply vaporizes when they stop attending. And start to to it for real. :-). On the most part I have no problem with porn per see (the business side is actually a lot smaller than people imagine) as long as the players know what they are doing and are doing of free will.

Anyhow The church financial things should be traceable through the IRS, shouldn't it? After all tax exemption means that donations should be deducted from someone's taxes? And there it should be a reasonable trail to follow? Empty tombs surveys suggests that the gifts and donations to charity has increased continuously, but the religious giving has been in decline in relation to the whole.

I just thought it to be interesting given that organisations tends to radicalise and get violent in different form when their future is at stake. And frankly, this seems to be a huge industry. Bookstores/chains, merchandise, well I have even found jesus sexy lingerie (how cool is that in a sad sort of way?!). There must a be alot of money in this...
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02-05-2013, 01:41 AM
 
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I'm curious Fmanh2, what is the New Age movement like in Sweden? Is there much of that?
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