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26-06-2012, 04:32 PM
Circumcision, the COURT vs. RELIGIOUS TRADITION
I was listening to the news today and this ruling came up from a German court that questions hundreds of years of religious tradition. What you you think about the ruling and what precedence does it set?

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/german-court-ou...28176.html
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26-06-2012, 04:35 PM
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(26-06-2012 04:32 PM)deafinition Wrote:  I was listening to the news today and this ruling came up from a German court that questions hundreds of years of religious tradition. What you you think about the ruling and what precedence does it set?

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/german-court-ou...28176.html
Hooray for reason. Finally, a court with the balls to outlaw mutilation.

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26-06-2012, 05:10 PM
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Well played, German court, well played Smile That is extremely good news. And their position is very reasonable - why not wait until the kid can decide?

I hope that means legal age of consent too...

And the counter-argument is "it tramples on our religious freedom". What a crock of shit.

Never has their craziness been so nakedly exposed though - since the court ruled it was GBH, they're now essentially saying "We want the right to perform GBH on our kids for religious reasons". That's *got* to make some people stop and think, especially if the justification is just that it's tradition.

Yay for a slightly saner world Smile

Who'd have thought we'd need court orders to stop parents from shortening their kid's equipment.
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26-06-2012, 05:33 PM
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It is funny how intrinsic religious beliefs have become apart of culture. I'm not sure everyone when they decide to have their child circumcised does so for religious reasons, although the origin of circumcision has a religious citation. Maybe some just believe that is what is supposed to happen. I applaud the court. This gives rise to precedence for other things. For instance, could it be outlawed to have a girl's ears pierced before the age of consent?
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26-06-2012, 07:18 PM
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Even as a secular jew, I did not know what I would say to my parents if we had boys - my husband is European and we had no plans to circumsize.
I posted this article on my facebook today, and here are my thoughts:
"Wow. I wonder how many men would have chosen not to if they had been given the choice... Regardless, I like the idea of personal choice rather than choice by proxy whenever possible."

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26-06-2012, 08:03 PM
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I hope this spreads like wildfire.
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26-06-2012, 09:19 PM
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I replied to the person talking of how circumcision reduces STDs by 75%. Guess my name Smile
On a side note, it is Germany after all. Tongue

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27-06-2012, 04:29 AM
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Well, the foreskin is vestigial at this point in our evolution. We don't walk around the forests or jungles without pants on so we don't need to protect the Glans. Also, removing the foreskin allows for better hygiene, especially during infancy, because you don't have to pull it back and clean under it. Finally, studies do show a drop in STD/STI transfer of 75% with the removal of the foreskin.
However, the foreskin is rich in specialized sensory nerve endings and erogenous tissue. Meaning that sex might be better with a foreskin than without. (I'm willing to lean that it's better with a foreskin because that would show just how much of an asshole Yahweh is.)

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27-06-2012, 04:40 AM
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My circumcised friend said that his sex life is 10 times better now. It's quite simple, you have skin covering your most sensitive part of the penis, his head. Remove the skin and it is opened for experience to world around, without stupid skin with very little nerves and feeling, when compared to the head.

He did it a few years ago, he is an atheist, he did it for hygiene and God knows what else, but not religion related.

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27-06-2012, 04:45 AM
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(27-06-2012 04:40 AM)Filox Wrote:  My circumcised friend said that his sex life is 10 times better now. It's quite simple, you have skin covering your most sensitive part of the penis, his head. Remove the skin and it is opened for experience to world around, without stupid skin with very little nerves and feeling, when compared to the head.

He did it a few years ago, he is an atheist, he did it for hygiene and God knows what else, but not religion related.
The crucial difference is that he made an informed choice as an adult. It was not done to him.

This is about human rights.

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