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15-04-2017, 04:10 PM
RE: Climate Change - General Discussion
EUROPE

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"London? A memory. Venice? Reclaimed by the Adriatic Sea. Thousands of years from now, in this catastrophic scenario, the Netherlands will have long since surrendered to the sea, and most of Denmark will be gone too. Meanwhile, the Mediterranean's expanding waters will also have swelled the Black and Caspian Seas."[1]

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15-04-2017, 04:11 PM
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ASIA

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"Land now inhabited by 600 million Chinese would flood, as would all of Bangladesh, population 160 million, and much of coastal India. The inundation of the Mekong Delta would leave Cambodia's Cardamom Mountains stranded as an island."[1]

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15-04-2017, 04:12 PM
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AUSTRALIA

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"Predominantly desert, the continent would gain a new inland sea—but it would lose much of the narrow coastal strip where four out of five Australians now live."[1]

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15-04-2017, 04:15 PM
RE: Climate Change - General Discussion
ANTARCTICA

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"East Antarctica: The East Antarctica ice sheet is so large—it contains four-fifths of all the ice on Earth—that it might seem unmeltable. It survived earlier warm periods intact. Lately it seems to be thickening slightly—because of global warming. The warmer atmosphere holds more water vapor, which falls as snow on East Antarctica. But even this behemoth is unlikely to survive a return to an Eocene Climate.

West Antarctica: Like the Greenland ice sheet, the West Antarctic one was apparently much smaller during earlier warm periods. It's vulnerable because most of it sits on bedrock that's below sea level.The warming ocean is melting the floating ice sheet itself from below, causing it to collapse. Since 1992 it has averaged a net loss of 65 million metric tons of ice a year."[1]

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15-04-2017, 04:18 PM
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Beyer Enlists Scientific Experts for ‘Fact-Check Project’ to Correct the Record On Misstatements Made During House Science Committee Hearings

Here's a link to the hearings if you want to have some fun dicking with morons. Have your 6-year old post the correction. "A 6-year old on an atheist forum points out that the senior ignoramus from Kansas ..."

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15-04-2017, 04:26 PM
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(15-04-2017 04:18 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Enlists Scientific Experts for ‘Fact-Check Project’ to Correct the Record On Misstatements Made During House Science Committee Hearings

The whole point of the climate change hearings, as a political exercise, was to mislead.
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15-04-2017, 04:27 PM
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(15-04-2017 03:47 PM)Kaneda Wrote:  "The maps here show the world as it is now, with only one difference: All the ice on land has melted and drained into the sea, raising it 216 feet and creating new shorelines for our continents and inland seas."

I assume future generations will consider us fools.
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15-04-2017, 04:28 PM (This post was last modified: 15-04-2017 04:35 PM by Kaneda.)
RE: Climate Change - General Discussion
(15-04-2017 04:18 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Here's a link to the hearings if you want to have some fun dicking with morons. Have your 6-year old post the correction. "A 6-year old on an atheist forum points out that the senior ignoramus from Kansas ..."

Dude, this is awesome! These shitheads really need their garbage hung out in the open like this more.

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15-04-2017, 07:53 PM (This post was last modified: 15-04-2017 08:00 PM by Thoreauvian.)
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My wife and I just finished watching the last episode of the David Attenborough DVD on the Great Barrier Reef. Since a fair portion of that episode dealt with the effects of climate change, I will write down a few points while they are still fresh in my memory.

Over its long history, the reef has advanced and receded with changes to the depth of the ocean due to natural climate change, i.e. through the various ice ages. So the reef would normally be able to adapt to the anticipated change in the ocean depth with present day climate change if it weren't for other factors. One is the speed of that change, but that is not the biggest threat. The real threats to the reef are from the increased acidification caused by the extra carbon in the atmosphere dissolving into the ocean, and from the increased warmth of the ocean, which will be greater than it has been for hundreds of thousands of years. The acidification prevents the coral from building its superstructure, and scientists estimate that the heat may kill off all the coral with a total ocean temperature rise of just 2 degrees Centigrade, which is now almost inevitable. In fact, since the 1980s, about 50% of the coral has already been destroyed, although it is estimated that about a third of that damage was caused by the Crown-of-Thorns Starfish which eats coral. Their populations have increased periodically since the 1960s, apparently from over-fishing of natural predators plus agricultural runoff which provides that species with more food.

However, scientists in Aims, Queensland are now selectively breeding coral to help speed up evolution. If the existing coral can't adapt quickly enough, they hope to repopulate the reef with varieties of coral which are more resistant to the effects of climate change. There is also the possibility that certain existing varieties of coral will prove more resistant as well. So there's at least some hope for the reef.
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15-04-2017, 08:17 PM (This post was last modified: 15-04-2017 08:23 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Climate Change - General Discussion
(15-04-2017 07:53 PM)Thoreauvian Wrote:  However, scientists in Aims, Queensland are now selectively breeding coral to help speed up evolution. If the existing coral can't adapt quickly enough, they hope to repopulate the reef with varieties of coral which are more resistant to the effects of climate change. There is also the possibility that certain existing varieties of coral will prove more resistant as well. So there's at least some hope for the reef.

We're in a race against ourselves. Is technology developing fast enough to remedy, or at least accommodate like in this case, the changes to the system that technology is making. I think much of the disagreement arises (discounting the knuckleheads representing the state of our science to the world in Congress) is the resource tradeoff between "damn the torpedoes full speed ahead" and "might be prudent to think this through a bit" crowds. I think what's happening now is that the "let's think about this for a minute" problems have been incentivized to the point where I'm confident we are capable of handling it. I'm not a climate change alarmist but it just doesn't seem like a great idea to try and estimate how many cigarettes we can smoke before we need to worry about cancer. It's like what even made you think of computing that? Only problem now is dodging clown dicks who keep jumping in the way out of some absurdly misguided idea that they are saving jobs. "Dude, we're creating the jobs, get out of the way. Go start a stokers union if you want to keep busy."

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