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31-07-2017, 10:52 AM
RE: Climate Change - General Discussion
(27-07-2017 01:08 AM)Thoreauvian Wrote:  Well, we humans will ourselves run out of fossil fuels to burn someday.

I read an interesting article a few years back. The gist of it was we'll never use all the available fossil fuels. Supply and demand. Fossil fuels will get more expensive as supplies get lower. Eventually we'll reach a tipping point where the cost of extracting fossil fuels will become unsustainable. At that point we will either switch to other energy sources or die. Or both... They think that will happen well before the supply is completely exhausted.

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31-07-2017, 11:31 AM
RE: Climate Change - General Discussion
(31-07-2017 10:44 AM)Popeyes Pappy Wrote:  Scary shit. Glad I'll probably miss it by 40 or 50 years. The step daughter is planning on having kids soon though. I've been trying to talk them out of it...

Over-population is certainly a part of the problem. And fewer people in the future means less suffering in a couple of ways: 1) fewer people to suffer, and 2) less conflict over reduced resources.
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31-07-2017, 11:40 AM (This post was last modified: 31-07-2017 11:46 AM by Thoreauvian.)
RE: Climate Change - General Discussion
(31-07-2017 10:52 AM)Popeyes Pappy Wrote:  
(27-07-2017 01:08 AM)Thoreauvian Wrote:  Well, we humans will ourselves run out of fossil fuels to burn someday.

I read an interesting article a few years back. The gist of it was we'll never use all the available fossil fuels. Supply and demand. Fossil fuels will get more expensive as supplies get lower. Eventually we'll reach a tipping point where the cost of extracting fossil fuels will become unsustainable. At that point we will either switch to other energy sources or die. Or both... They think that will happen well before the supply is completely exhausted.

Yeah, I've read something similar. At a certain point, it costs more to extract the oil and gas than you can make from them. Plus solar and wind are becoming much more competitive. In 2016 in the U.S., 70% of all new energy-generating capacity came from solar and wind.

Plus something like 2/3 of known reserves of oil and gas should not be burned to avoid the worst climate change. Some investors are moving their money away from fossil fuels companies for that reason.
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31-07-2017, 12:47 PM
RE: Climate Change - General Discussion
(31-07-2017 11:40 AM)Thoreauvian Wrote:  Yeah, I've read something similar. At a certain point, it costs more to extract the oil and gas than you can make from them. Plus solar and wind are becoming much more competitive. In 2016 in the U.S., 70% of all new energy-generating capacity came from solar and wind.

Solar and wind are great, but we are going to have to retain a fairly large percentage of our power generating capacity from some type of on demand source like nuclear. Either that or really damn big batteries.

Quote:Plus something like 2/3 of known reserves of oil and gas should not be burned to avoid the worst climate change. Some investors are moving their money away from fossil fuels companies for that reason.

Based on the CNN article you linked we are going to be fucked even if we only burn a third of what's left. A lot of people are going to to be fucked even if we stopped burning fossil fuels today.

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01-08-2017, 03:04 PM
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"The drive to switch to electric cars went a mile further last Wednesday when Britain joined France in pledging to end the sale of new gas and diesel cars by 2040. Norway and India have also said they want to get rid of gas and diesel cars, and at least 10 other countries have set targets for electric cars. All that is good news for the planet and for human health, even if caveats and challenges abound."

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01-08-2017, 07:23 PM
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(01-08-2017 03:04 PM)Thoreauvian Wrote:  "The drive to switch to electric cars went a mile further last Wednesday when Britain joined France in pledging to end the sale of new gas and diesel cars by 2040. Norway and India have also said they want to get rid of gas and diesel cars, and at least 10 other countries have set targets for electric cars. All that is good news for the planet and for human health, even if caveats and challenges abound."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/31/opini...&smtyp=cur

That's pretty much the death knell for Big Oil. At least they're getting fair warning. They'll adapt. Batteries baby, batteries. Smile

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02-08-2017, 06:12 AM
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(01-08-2017 07:23 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  That's pretty much the death knell for Big Oil. At least they're getting fair warning. They'll adapt. Batteries baby, batteries. Smile

Of course, they also have to simultaneously change the power source for all those electric cars from fossil fuels to wind and solar, but that is also possible.
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02-08-2017, 06:37 AM
RE: Climate Change - General Discussion
(31-07-2017 10:52 AM)Popeyes Pappy Wrote:  
(27-07-2017 01:08 AM)Thoreauvian Wrote:  Well, we humans will ourselves run out of fossil fuels to burn someday.

I read an interesting article a few years back. The gist of it was we'll never use all the available fossil fuels. Supply and demand. Fossil fuels will get more expensive as supplies get lower. Eventually we'll reach a tipping point where the cost of extracting fossil fuels will become unsustainable. At that point we will either switch to other energy sources or die. Or both... They think that will happen well before the supply is completely exhausted.

If it takes more fossil fuel to retrieve than what there is left to retrieve mankind will resort to slave labor to dig it out manually. We're getting every last drop.
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02-08-2017, 07:02 AM
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(02-08-2017 06:37 AM)ImFred Wrote:  If it takes more fossil fuel to retrieve than what there is left to retrieve mankind will resort to slave labor to dig it out manually. We're getting every last drop.

Well, a lot of our less-accessible but too-expensive-to-retrieve reserves are below the bottom of the ocean or trapped in tar sands which are highly energy intensive to process, so I don't think digging anything will help in those cases.

Plus wind and solar will be so much less expensive.
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02-08-2017, 06:23 PM
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"Recently [Helen] Harwatt and a team of scientists from Oregon State University, Bard College, and Loma Linda University calculated just what would happen if every American made one dietary change: substituting beans for beef. They found that if everyone were willing and able to do that—hypothetically—the U.S. could still come close to meeting its 2020 greenhouse-gas emission goals, pledged by President Barack Obama in 2009. That is, even if nothing about our energy infrastructure or transportation system changed—and even if people kept eating chicken and pork and eggs and cheese—this one dietary change could achieve somewhere between 46 and 74 percent of the reductions needed to meet the target."

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archi...ef/535536/
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