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06-08-2012, 12:47 AM
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(06-08-2012 12:04 AM)DeepThought Wrote:  There might be beneficial spinoffs from this "carbon tax"...

If you think of it in terms of natural selection you are selecting for technology and innovation that releases less carbon into the atmosphere. Chances are there are things that can be done right now that can significantly cut carbon emissions and barely cost anything. Things that wouldn't have been found if some pressure wasn't applied in the right areas.

We'll see soon enough.

I hope you're right Undecided

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09-08-2012, 08:41 PM
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(03-08-2012 11:49 AM)KidCharlemagne1962 Wrote:  I'm more skeptical of the cures pushed than the data ( I think ACC is pretty well documented). Since the science is pretty clear, it's just a matter of how to attenuate the damage we do. The link below is to a respected scientist who was skeptical of ACC. He was head of a climate project at Berkley and has determined ACC is in fact the case.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/bl...ard-muller

Here's an interesting follow up on the Berkley professor, Richard Muller, covering most of the key issues surrounding climate change http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/09/a-...more-68702
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10-08-2012, 04:47 AM
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(09-08-2012 08:41 PM)Jeff Wrote:  
(03-08-2012 11:49 AM)KidCharlemagne1962 Wrote:  I'm more skeptical of the cures pushed than the data ( I think ACC is pretty well documented). Since the science is pretty clear, it's just a matter of how to attenuate the damage we do. The link below is to a respected scientist who was skeptical of ACC. He was head of a climate project at Berkley and has determined ACC is in fact the case.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/bl...ard-muller

Here's an interesting follow up on the Berkley professor, Richard Muller, covering most of the key issues surrounding climate change http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/09/a-...more-68702

Here's the link to the audio interview with Richard Muller. The hosts bring him on to trumpet the "Skeptic Now Believes" theme but then they are frustrated when he refutes their assertions, while still saying the GW is real and human caused.
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10-08-2012, 06:15 AM
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Did you mean this link, Jeffers?

http://prn.fm/2012/08/01/green-front-dr-...z22nkSzW84

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14-08-2012, 06:52 PM
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(10-08-2012 06:15 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Did you mean this link, Jeffers?

http://prn.fm/2012/08/01/green-front-dr-...z22nkSzW84

Yes that's a better link for it. Sorry, didn't see your post show up in my new posts list.
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14-08-2012, 06:59 PM
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Interesting Quotes on Climate Change

“It is strange what weather we have had all this winter; no cold at all; but the ways are dusty, and the flyes fly up and down, and the rose-bushes are full of leaves, such a time of the year as was never known in this world before here.”
- Samuel Pepys, January 1660

“There is no real constant sunshine neither a steady winter nor summer, the earth’s crops and produce do not ripen, are no longer as healthy as they were in bygone years. The fruitfulness of all creatures and of the world as a whole is receding, fields and grounds have tired from bearing fruits and even become impoverished, thereby giving rise to the increase of prices and famine, as is heard in towns and villages from the whining and lamenting among the farmers.”
- Rev Schaller, pastor of Strendal in the Prussian Alps, 1560

“Our years are turned upside down; our summers are no summers; our harvests are no harvests!”
- John King, an Elizabethan preacher from Britain, 1595

Read more at http://judithcurry.com/2011/12/01/the-long-slow-thaw/
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18-08-2012, 11:42 AM
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Apocalypse Not: Here’s Why You Shouldn’t Worry About End Times

From wired magazine

"When the sun rises on December 22, as it surely will, do not expect apologies or even a rethink. No matter how often apocalyptic predictions fail to come true, another one soon arrives. And the prophets of apocalypse always draw a following—from the 100,000 Millerites who took to the hills in 1843, awaiting the end of the world, to the thousands who believed in Harold Camping, the Christian radio broadcaster who forecast the final rapture in both 1994 and 2011.

Religious zealots hardly have a monopoly on apocalyptic thinking. Consider some of the environmental cataclysms that so many experts promised were inevitable. Best-selling economist Robert Heilbroner in 1974: “The outlook for man, I believe, is painful, difficult, perhaps desperate, and the hope that can be held out for his future prospects seem to be very slim indeed.” Or best-selling ecologist Paul Ehrlich in 1968: “The battle to feed all of humanity is over. In the 1970s ["and 1980s" was added in a later edition] the world will undergo famines—hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked on now … nothing can prevent a substantial increase in the world death rate.” Or Jimmy Carter in a televised speech in 1977: “We could use up all of the proven reserves of oil in the entire world by the end of the next decade.”

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/0...psenot/all
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18-08-2012, 01:56 PM
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Why Doom Has Not Materialized

Similar article from George Will of the Washington Post

"Sometimes the news is that something was not newsworthy. The United Nations’ Rio+20 conference — 50,000 participants from 188 nations — occurred in June without consequences. A generation has passed since the 1992 Earth Summit in Rio, which begat other conferences and protocols (e.g., Kyoto). And, by now, apocalypse fatigue — boredom from being repeatedly told the end is nigh.

This began two generations ago, in 1972, when we were warned (by computer models developed at MIT) that we were doomed. We were supposed to be pretty much extinct by now, or at least miserable. We are neither. So, what went wrong?"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/g...story.html
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