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19-05-2016, 06:49 PM
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(19-05-2016 04:26 PM)BnW Wrote:  I'm a bit surprised they would favor Trump. He's the one who's been talking tough about sending troops all over and how they are going to be ordered to commit murder (something the military responded to and said they would not, under any circumstances, do).

And, for all his bluster about how he would never have voted for the Iraq war, the simple fact is that when he was asked about it at the time he not only didn't raise any objections but generally agreed with it. So, he's FOS on this (and almost every) topic.

The two of them both make my skin crawl. The idea of having to vote for one of them ... I'll need to use steel wool to get the stink off my skin.

Well trump isn't as war fancy as Hillary is. I mean trump was one of the few people who apposed the Iraq war.

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19-05-2016, 07:04 PM
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I'm pretty sure he wasn't.

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21-05-2016, 03:35 PM
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(19-05-2016 07:04 PM)BnW Wrote:  I'm pretty sure he wasn't.

Well I should at least say before the war ended, or before everyone else jumped on the bandwagon. Thing is hillary just wants to be popular.(not saying trump doesn't either, but he is not as cringy)

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24-05-2016, 11:38 AM
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I'm still pretty sure he didn't. He's not a politician so it's not like it's a question that came up to him often when he was making public statements. But, when he was asked, he was in support of it. He never had a chance to vote for it so there is no consequence to him later changing his mind, but given his statements on Iraq at the time, there is no reason to believe he would have voted against it.

As for Hillary just wanting to be popular, I don't think she cares about that. She just wants to be elected. And, she has not changed her positions nearly as frequently as he has during this campaign. He's been walking things back for weeks now.

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24-05-2016, 01:28 PM
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(18-05-2016 05:37 PM)The Organic Chemist Wrote:  
(18-05-2016 11:03 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  I mean I'm not even posting pictures of flowers and food.

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C'mon Moms. You know the FB community is DYING too see what you had for lunch and how many bites you took to eat it.

Yeah no...I only share special foods, like the tiramisu my hubby made for Mother's Day.

Flowers...well, it's springtime. Soon they'll all be dead until next year.


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31-05-2016, 01:30 PM
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(19-05-2016 05:05 AM)BnW Wrote:  Getting back to the OP, that first cartoon is not conspiracy theories. The point it's making, as I see it at least, is that the media is looking for scandals on Trump and largely ignoring potential scandals for Clinto. I'll ignore the Benghazi one because that is received plenty of coverage. But, e-mail thing is not a "conspiracy theory". It's the focus of an actual FBI investigation that could potentially lead to the convening of a federal grand jury to determine if Clinton should be indicted for violating the Espionage Act. The stuff on the Clinton Foundation is also not a conspiracy theory. There is actual documentation on who her downs are and a lot of questions about decisions the Clinton lead State Department made that favored some of those donors. There are legitimate questions to be asked there, and the press is barely acknowledging it. So, I'm not sure what the "Conspiracy theory" is that people are laughing off.

As for the "trail of bodies", Clinton absolutely has blood on her hands. Someone asked in another thread why people dislike Hillary Clinton. I didn't respond to that but I'll give you part of the answer and it's because of all the blood.

Let's start with Iraq. Clinton voted for a bullshit war that cost over 5,000 American lives and tens of thousands of Iraqi lives. She apologized for it in 2008 and claimed she made the best judgment she could at the time with all the evidence that was available. That's demonstrably bullshit, though. There was a classified National Intelligence Estimate available to the Senate at the time and only 6 people read it. She wasn't one of them. Of the 6 who read it, 2 of those Senators, Bob Graham and Patrick Leahy, decided to vote against the war. So, Clinton likely would have voted for it anyway. But, it's simply not true that she looked at all available information. Why not read the estimate? If your a cynic about these things - and I tend to be - you may think it's so she has plausible deniability later. She doesn't wear the sin of Iraq by herself, but she wears it. However, she is part of a much smaller group who used death and destruction in Iraq to push American business agendas. This was evident in a 2011 speech she gave where she is telling American corporations to think of Iraq as a "business opportunity". She said the same thing in letters she wrote to JPMorgan and ExxonMobile. So, basically, she was pushing the same "pro-business thru war" agenda that Bush had pushed for.

Then there is Libya. Obama was not inclined on his own to start dropping bombs, but it was his hawkish Sec State, Hillary Clinton, that pushed him that way. And, forget what you read about Benghazi. The real potential conspiracy there, and one that has been largely ignored by both the Republicans and the press, is that there is evidence that the US was running weapons from out of that embassy to rebels in Syria - something that was in direct conflict with US law at the time. This came up a bit during several of the hearings but it was shut down, probably because - if true - the Republican leadership was aware of it and didn't want to highlight that they both knew about it and probably agreed with it. But, that is an Iran Contra type of scandal she may have been involved with, no one is saying "boo" about it, and you can be damn sure that not only did people die, but it is likely to have been part of the reason that embassy was targeted.

And, lastly, let's not forget poor Honduras. Honduras has a democratically elected president named Manuel Zelaya who was over thrown by a military coup. The whole region wanted to force him back into office and let him finish out his term because that is what the laws of Honduras required. Not Hillary Clinton, though. What she wanted was to force a new election, get rid of the legally elected Zelaya (who was not a US favorite) and get someone new in - which is what happened. She wrote about her great Honduras victory in her autobiography but a funny thing happened after that book was published - Honduras fell apart after her policy was implemented and became the murder capital of the world. When the paperback version of the book came out, the stuff on Honduras was missing. Probably because it became a massive embarrassment.

The fact is that, for all his bluster and racism and misogyny, Trump has none of this baggage and none of these scandals. Sure, he's disgusting and I'd never vote for him, but she's not any better.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp is what I was referring to when I said conspiracy theory. I know the cartoon isn't about conspiracies, I included the picture along with the comments that way people can see some backstory as to what the other guy and I were talking about.

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31-05-2016, 08:08 PM
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Yes, I understood the reference and the ridiculous stories. I don't believe any of these fantasies. But, you don't need a made up conspiracy to see she has blood on her hands.

This election sucks.

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31-05-2016, 08:14 PM
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Either a Hillary or Trump victory will result in deployments. At least this election has that going for it.

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01-06-2016, 05:31 AM
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(31-05-2016 08:08 PM)BnW Wrote:  Yes, I understood the reference and the ridiculous stories. I don't believe any of these fantasies. But, you don't need a made up conspiracy to see she has blood on her hands.

This election sucks.

Everyone has a little blood on their hands, if only vicariously.

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01-06-2016, 08:06 AM
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How does everyone have blood on their hands? And, hers is not vicariously. There is a straight line between her policies and her decisions and actual deaths. "Well, you buy shoes at Wal-Mart" or whatever the tangential argument may be is not a defense on her behalf. At least, not to me it's not.

I'm definitely voting third party - again. I will not pull a lever for either of Trump or Clinton.

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