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11-06-2017, 01:17 PM
RE: Clinton Used Prison Labor, aka modern slave labor
(11-06-2017 01:16 PM)mordant Wrote:  
(11-06-2017 11:20 AM)Anjele Wrote:  So you are okay with the jobs for inmates being doled out based on race and economic background.
Of course not. Why would you say that?

I am trying to understand your last paragraph.

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11-06-2017, 01:22 PM
RE: Clinton Used Prison Labor, aka modern slave labor
(11-06-2017 01:17 PM)Anjele Wrote:  
(11-06-2017 01:16 PM)mordant Wrote:  Of course not. Why would you say that?
I am trying to understand your last paragraph.
I was trying to relate the justness of the sentence to the degree of slavery involved. I have a lot more empathy for someone whose incarceration is likely a product of structural racism in the first place being made to work for little or no wage, than I do for someone who was perfectly capable of staying out of prison and chose to victimize people anyway. I deliberately drew the two examples with exaggerated contrast.

As RS pointed out, in Arkansas the work detail is compulsory, in most states it's not, and that's another huge factor.
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11-06-2017, 01:24 PM
RE: Clinton Used Prison Labor, aka modern slave labor
(11-06-2017 01:22 PM)mordant Wrote:  
(11-06-2017 01:17 PM)Anjele Wrote:  I am trying to understand your last paragraph.
I was trying to relate the justness of the sentence to the degree of slavery involved. I have a lot more empathy for someone whose incarceration is likely a product of structural racism in the first place being made to work for little or no wage, than I do for someone who was perfectly capable of staying out of prison and chose to victimize people anyway. I deliberately drew the two examples with exaggerated contrast.

As RS pointed out, in Arkansas the work detail is compulsory, in most states it's not, and that's another huge factor.

Thank you for explaining. Sometimes subtlety is lost when you can't see facial expressions or hear tones of voice.

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11-06-2017, 02:53 PM
RE: Clinton Used Prison Labor, aka modern slave labor
(11-06-2017 01:22 PM)mordant Wrote:  
(11-06-2017 01:17 PM)Anjele Wrote:  I am trying to understand your last paragraph.
I was trying to relate the justness of the sentence to the degree of slavery involved. I have a lot more empathy for someone whose incarceration is likely a product of structural racism in the first place being made to work for little or no wage, than I do for someone who was perfectly capable of staying out of prison and chose to victimize people anyway. I deliberately drew the two examples with exaggerated contrast.

As RS pointed out, in Arkansas the work detail is compulsory, in most states it's not, and that's another huge factor.

Structural racism. Lmao.

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11-06-2017, 03:10 PM
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(11-06-2017 09:08 AM)GenesisNemesis Wrote:  http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-...sas-622209

Quote:Twitter users have reacted with surprise and fury over excerpts from Hillary Clinton’s 1996 book It Takes A Village. On June 6, Jeanette Jing, an activist with over 33,000 followers on Twitter who supports Clinton's Democratic opponent Sen. Bernie Sanders, shared two pages of the work in which Clinton reminisces about the black prisoners who worked in the Arkansas governor’s mansion she shared with her husband, Bill Clinton, who led the state from 1979 to 1981 and 1983 to 1992.

“When we moved in, I was told that using prison labor at the governor’s mansion was a longstanding tradition, which kept down costs,” Clinton writes. She adds that most of the workers were convicted murderers and she became friendly with “a few of them, African-American men in their thirties who had already served 12 to 18 years of their sentences.”

trump won because of her. she has abandonment issues and it affects every choice she ever made. Like a broke leg that goes unfixed, she will/has limp the rest of her life.

prison labor is a good thing and should be brought back.
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11-06-2017, 03:30 PM
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Prison labor isn't unconstitutional, illegal, immoral or even a bad idea.

Unfortunately, the cunts that find themselves in charge always seem to find a way to get rich off of it.

That's the only thing I see as a problem.

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11-06-2017, 03:38 PM
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GenNem

You're totally dead on right and deserve props for making this thread.
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11-06-2017, 03:42 PM
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What the fuck is wrong with you two?

LDH - What do you call it when, for openly racist reasons, white supremacist politicians systematically deny funding to the infrastructure and schools of black neighborhoods/areas, while giving the same benefits to white areas such that the latter are catapulted into Middle Class status, then after decades of that use a "Drug War" (openly and on the record) to lock up leaders/members of the hated counterculture and black empowerment movements and justify heavily overpolicing the neighborhoods that had rotted out from neglect? How can you ignore that racism led to differences in educational funding and opportunities from elementary school to college, starting with "Separate But Equal" (which was nothing of the sort) and where white areas were favored even after the demise of segregated schooling? How can you fail to understand that the generational effect of incarcerating huge percentages of the African American population-- often on non-violent or even fabricated charges-- for longer and harsher sentences than given to equivalent white criminals, leads to a continuing cycle of crime, especially when combined with a lack of educational and employment opportunities in the aforementioned areas of deliberate neglect?

How can you sit there when people link to the openly racist history of prison labor, established in large part to continue subjugating as many African Americans as possible during the Jim Crow era and still practiced mainly by Southern states to this day, and pretend there's no such thing as structural racism?

Is this what conservatism means, to pretend reality isn't real?

One of the major reasons I refused to support Hillary Clinton for President (aside from my preference for Bernie and the underhanded way I felt the DNC and corporate media outlets had treated him during his campaign so they'd get one that's more favorable to their greed-interests) was because of her history of supporting the worst elements of our Prison Industrial Complex and the laws/policies that drive its ever-expanding devastation. If you were aware of the way Arkansas treats its prisoners in their radically corrupt and for-profit system, you wouldn't be so smug.

And when one of those people whose dad and granddad were incarcerated, leading to a cycle of poverty and desperation because they didn't have the privileges in society you like to pretend don't exist, decides they have no effective choice but to turn to crime and rob you in order to fill their belly, I hope you have the same sneer on your face when they shoot you in it.

Even people who are as self-interested and short-sighted as the conservatives I see on this board routinely prove to be should at least recognize that our system is both unethical and counterproductive to many of the ends it claims to be established to protect us from. If you really want to see the danger to yourself and your family reduced, we could try making up for the neglect of those neighborhoods (in my city, the "other side of the tracks" is a street called Troost, with the family-wealthy whites on one side and the blacks on the other, where the money was poured in west of Troost and nothing east of it, with measurable differences to the Average Joes of differing skin tones who lived one side of that street, compared to the other) over the past century and a half... but no, I can already hear you conservatives whining about socialism and "taking money away from us" when we do for black neighborhoods/people what has already been done for white ones.

In case the clue bounced off your thick skull, the answer to the above is "structural racism".

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11-06-2017, 03:56 PM
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So far, after reading what has been said on this thread, I would be in favor of work in prison in the following conditions:

1) That the work is done in a completly voluntary fashion and is tied to training or schooling.

2) That the work is paid even if its just a little bit.

3) That this work doesn't generate profit (or at least that this profit is then used to finance charities or something else like that, prisoners shouldn't pay for the prisons)

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11-06-2017, 03:56 PM
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(11-06-2017 03:42 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  What the fuck is wrong with you two?

LDH - What do you call it when, for openly racist reasons, white supremacist politicians systematically deny funding to the infrastructure and schools of black neighborhoods/areas, while giving the same benefits to white areas such that the latter are catapulted into Middle Class status, then after decades of that use a "Drug War" (openly and on the record) to lock up leaders/members of the hated counterculture and black empowerment movements and justify heavily overpolicing the neighborhoods that had rotted out from neglect? How can you ignore that racism led to differences in educational funding and opportunities from elementary school to college, starting with "Separate But Equal" (which was nothing of the sort) and where white areas were favored even after the demise of segregated schooling? How can you fail to understand that the generational effect of incarcerating huge percentages of the African American population-- often on non-violent or even fabricated charges-- for longer and harsher sentences than given to equivalent white criminals, leads to a continuing cycle of crime, especially when combined with a lack of educational and employment opportunities in the aforementioned areas of deliberate neglect?

How can you sit there when people link to the openly racist history of prison labor, established in large part to continue subjugating as many African Americans as possible during the Jim Crow era and still practiced mainly by Southern states to this day, and pretend there's no such thing as structural racism?

Is this what conservatism means, to pretend reality isn't real?

One of the major reasons I refused to support Hillary Clinton for President (aside from my preference for Bernie and the underhanded way I felt the DNC and corporate media outlets had treated him during his campaign so they'd get one that's more favorable to their greed-interests) was because of her history of supporting the worst elements of our Prison Industrial Complex and the laws/policies that drive its ever-expanding devastation. If you were aware of the way Arkansas treats its prisoners in their radically corrupt and for-profit system, you wouldn't be so smug.

And when one of those people whose dad and granddad were incarcerated, leading to a cycle of poverty and desperation because they didn't have the privileges in society you like to pretend don't exist, decides they have no effective choice but to turn to crime and rob you in order to fill their belly, I hope you have the same sneer on your face when they shoot you in it.

Even people who are as self-interested and short-sighted as the conservatives I see on this board routinely prove to be should at least recognize that our system is both unethical and counterproductive to many of the ends it claims to be established to protect us from. If you really want to see the danger to yourself and your family reduced, we could try making up for the neglect of those neighborhoods (in my city, the "other side of the tracks" is a street called Troost, with the family-wealthy whites on one side and the blacks on the other, where the money was poured in west of Troost and nothing east of it, with measurable differences to the Average Joes of differing skin tones who lived one side of that street, compared to the other) over the past century and a half... but no, I can already hear you conservatives whining about socialism and "taking money away from us" when we do for black neighborhoods/people what has already been done for white ones.

In case the clue bounced off your thick skull, the answer to the above is "structural racism".

Structural racism is a myth. There is no such thing as a "white neighborhood." We all have the same opportunity. I grew up in bad neighborhoods in L.A. Certain kids chose to do good in school, join the military, get a job etc. Other kids did not. Some joined gangs or started drugs (even when their father's worked at the same aerospace job as my dad did and lived on the same street as me). It didn't matter their race. There were successes and failures of all races.

Having a fucked up life is pretty much a choice in America. I knew good kids when I was a cop. They got good grades and hung out with my daughter until they hit about 15. Then all of a sudden I started arresting those same kids for break ins, drugs, robberies etc. I'd ask them what the hell are you doing with your life? Why don't you finish school? Get a job? Nope. They all say the same shit. "That shit's for busters."

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