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16-08-2015, 03:04 PM
RE: Clones and original sin
(08-06-2015 12:44 PM)natachan Wrote:  Do if original sin comes from Adam through the semen, and since clones are created without semen, do clones have original sin? How about people created through genetic manipulation?
Sin doesn't come through Adam's semen. Death or mortality comes through Adam's semen.
All children of Adam are born sinless but mortal. Mortality is result of Adam's fall.
Children of Adam( each one of us) become sinners as soon as whey do their first sin.
So, clones are sinless until they do their first sin. But clones are mortal, they will die.
Death/mortality is result of Adam's fall.

Nobody is responsible for Adam's transgression. Every person is responsible for his/her own sins.
Because of Adam all became mortal, because of Christ all will be resurrected from the dead.

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16-08-2015, 04:12 PM
RE: Clones and original sin
Clones are the epitome of sin, just as Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith are.

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17-08-2015, 03:24 AM (This post was last modified: 17-08-2015 03:27 AM by Mark Fulton.)
RE: Clones and original sin
(16-08-2015 03:04 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(08-06-2015 12:44 PM)natachan Wrote:  Do if original sin comes from Adam through the semen, and since clones are created without semen, do clones have original sin? How about people created through genetic manipulation?
Sin doesn't come through Adam's semen. Death or mortality comes through Adam's semen.
All children of Adam are born sinless but mortal. Mortality is result of Adam's fall.
Children of Adam( each one of us) become sinners as soon as whey do their first sin.
So, clones are sinless until they do their first sin. But clones are mortal, they will die.
Death/mortality is result of Adam's fall.

Nobody is responsible for Adam's transgression. Every person is responsible for his/her own sins.
Because of Adam all became mortal, because of Christ all will be resurrected from the dead.

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17-08-2015, 03:51 AM
RE: Clones and original sin
(08-06-2015 02:05 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(08-06-2015 01:29 PM)Zippo Wrote:  That would be a great headline to piss off Christians:

"Science now offers salvation faster than christianity by removing the original sin through genetic manipulation"

Wouldn't this be the same thing as how the Jews believe that they can transfer their sins to other animals that they can then slaughter?

I don't thing the GM salvation will involve swinging a chicken around one's head.

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17-08-2015, 04:16 AM
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Another queation is that evolution predicts that a monkey gave birth to a human. So do monkeys have original sin to? And is YHWY hate the gay monkeys as much? After all like that Loverboy aong says: pig and elephant DNA just won't splice. And Josephus.

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17-08-2015, 04:35 AM
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(17-08-2015 04:16 AM)The Organic Chemist Wrote:  pig and elephant DNA just won't splice. And Josephus.

So it's true... It was Josephus in the pig with an elephant... Ohmy

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17-08-2015, 06:06 AM
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If it is in semen, does that mean that men are really the root of all evil and did I leave that sin in my wife while we were dating? Does that also mean that the moment we were married and it was no longer sinful for us to have sex, that she was somehow immune to my sin but I somehow passed it to my kids? This original sin idea is so fucking idiotic I want to go kick grass. In fact, the entire idea of sin is fucking stupid.

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17-08-2015, 06:22 AM
RE: Clones and original sin
(17-08-2015 06:06 AM)The Organic Chemist Wrote:  In fact, the entire idea of sin is fucking stupid.

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17-08-2015, 06:52 AM
RE: Clones and original sin
(16-08-2015 03:04 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(08-06-2015 12:44 PM)natachan Wrote:  Do if original sin comes from Adam through the semen, and since clones are created without semen, do clones have original sin? How about people created through genetic manipulation?
Sin doesn't come through Adam's semen. Death or mortality comes through Adam's semen.
All children of Adam are born sinless but mortal. Mortality is result of Adam's fall.
Children of Adam( each one of us) become sinners as soon as whey do their first sin.
So, clones are sinless until they do their first sin. But clones are mortal, they will die.
Death/mortality is result of Adam's fall.

Nobody is responsible for Adam's transgression. Every person is responsible for his/her own sins.
Because of Adam all became mortal, because of Christ all will be resurrected from the dead.

Perhaps this is true for Mormons. This is not true for Catholics and Protestants, which are the traditions I was brought up in. In those traditions the sin is passed down the male line through the semen. That is why Jesus had no original sin, because his mother was a virgin.

And yes, church dogma does state that we are all responsible for Adan's sin. Original sin is the whole premise of Christianity and without it the religion falls apart.
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17-08-2015, 07:01 AM
RE: Clones and original sin
(17-08-2015 04:35 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(17-08-2015 04:16 AM)The Organic Chemist Wrote:  pig and elephant DNA just won't splice. And Josephus.

So it's true... It was Josephus in the pig with an elephant... Ohmy

I thought it was Colonel Mustard in the dining room with the candlestick.

Jeez --- another dream destroyed.

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