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01-12-2015, 08:30 PM
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(30-11-2015 07:20 PM)Captain Congo Wrote:  
(28-11-2015 11:48 AM)Smercury44 Wrote:  Being so pro-life that you decide to murder several people to prove how wrong it is to murder Dodgy

The irony. You nailed it!

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I am sure his Unibomber look is covering the other ear, I think he is missing a brain though.

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02-12-2015, 12:56 PM
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New update:

Shooter's Ex-wife interview
Quote:"He claims to be a Christian and is extremely evangelistic, but he does not follow the Bible in his actions," Micheau wrote. "He says as long as he believes he will be saved, he can do whatever he pleases. He is obsessed with the world coming to an end."

That sums it up nicely. Double standards, the sin-today/repent-tomorrow attitude. Fucking pathetic.

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06-12-2015, 09:39 AM
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"He went to shoot people at an abortion clinic and said 'no more baby parts'" isn't proof that he's a Christian to me, but some people took that and went with it.
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06-12-2015, 09:43 AM
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(02-12-2015 12:56 PM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  New update:

Shooter's Ex-wife interview
Quote:"He claims to be a Christian and is extremely evangelistic, but he does not follow the Bible in his actions," Micheau wrote. "He says as long as he believes he will be saved, he can do whatever he pleases. He is obsessed with the world coming to an end."

That sums it up nicely. Double standards, the sin-today/repent-tomorrow attitude. Fucking pathetic.

I'm starting to think that religious obsession with the end times might be at the root of a lot of chaos, and that at least three groups (not including the ordinary Jews) could be involved.
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06-12-2015, 09:52 AM
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(01-12-2015 07:03 PM)BnW Wrote:  
(30-11-2015 08:34 AM)Chas Wrote:  Does someone of sound mind believe in gods and thereby justify murder? I think not.

I disagree. This one individual may in fact be legally insane, but, as a general concept, I think someone of sound mind can absolutely have a belief in a god that justifies murder. In fact, I think that is the default position. So many heinous crimes throughout the course of history in the name of god and spreading his good word that it's unreasonable to assume all those people were just nuts and incapable of understanding right from wrong or what they were doing. Christianity spread through Europe at the end of a sword, with violent consequences for those who resisted. I don't accept that the armies of Charlemagne , as just one example, were all potential refugees from an insane asylum when they conquered the Saxons and forced them to convert.

Belief in god can overwhelm sanity and belief that your actions are encouraged and required by a divine being can lead to some pretty horrific actions. There are literally thousands of examples of this throughout history. All those people were not insane. It's not possible.

If belief in a deity that justifies murder overwhelms sanity, then that mind is not sound.

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06-12-2015, 10:02 AM
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(06-12-2015 09:39 AM)Lienda Bella Wrote:  "He went to shoot people at an abortion clinic and said 'no more baby parts'" isn't proof that he's a Christian to me, but some people took that and went with it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/02/us/rob....html?_r=0

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressive...e-thumper/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/robe...945feb4375

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/124884/d...gical-mess

Yea but Carly is, and I'd I'd bet my life if you interviews all his family and co workers in the past, we'd find that he had a religious belief and was following religious people. Just like Trump isn't being held account for his "fans" beating up a homeless Latino.

That is the difference, when the atheist in North Carolina murdered the 3 Muslims, all the atheist websites and posters I know didn't run from the fact that he was. All of them condemned his actions. Now if there were a few who said "That wasn't a true atheist" and I am sure there were a handful, they still employ the true Scotsman fallacy.

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06-12-2015, 10:24 AM
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(06-12-2015 10:02 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 09:39 AM)Lienda Bella Wrote:  "He went to shoot people at an abortion clinic and said 'no more baby parts'" isn't proof that he's a Christian to me, but some people took that and went with it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/02/us/rob....html?_r=0

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressive...e-thumper/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/robe...945feb4375

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/124884/d...gical-mess

Yea but Carly is, and I'd I'd bet my life if you interviews all his family and co workers in the past, we'd find that he had a religious belief and was following religious people. Just like Trump isn't being held account for his "fans" beating up a homeless Latino.

That is the difference, when the atheist in North Carolina murdered the 3 Muslims, all the atheist websites and posters I know didn't run from the fact that he was. All of them condemned his actions. Now if there were a few who said "That wasn't a true atheist" and I am sure there were a handful, they still employ the true Scotsman fallacy.

As a religious person who follow whatever flavor of gawd they are into, they are able to say gawd said so. At that point the argument can be made by other believers that the person was interpreting things incorrectly and wasn't following gawd as their gawd would never push for such actions.

How can you use that with an atheist? You can't. An atheist, obviously, was either influenced by another person or their own mind.

It's not the same thing - as atheists, we don't have a gawd to pass the blame to.

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06-12-2015, 10:45 AM
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(06-12-2015 10:24 AM)Anjele Wrote:  ...
It's not the same thing - as atheists, we don't have a gawd to pass the blame to.

I don't think it's 'blame' from their perspective, is it? More like justification (before action) or validation (after).

But yeah, there is no atheist creed to interpret correctly or incorrectly which makes a "no true atheist" claim invalid.

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