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10-06-2017, 10:42 AM
RE: Comey fired
Comey testified that Trump was not under investigation for colluding with the Russians. Comey testified that Trump never attempted to shut down the Russian investigation. The big deal here is Comey says Trump wanted the Flynn perjury investigation to go away. But then Comey was asked in his testimony if the president, as the head of the executive branch, can decide who the FBI can or cannot investigate and he said YES.

So, Comey's testimony contradicts. He says the president can order the FBI to shut down any investigation. But then he says he took Trump's comment "I hope you can let this go, Flynn is a good guy" as an directive to close the Flynn case.

If he took it as an order to close the case, and he knows the president has the authority to order a case closed, then he should have immediately closed the Flynn case. If he believed Trump was ordering the case closed for corrupt reasons, he has a duty to resign. By his own testimony he failed to follow a lawful order.

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10-06-2017, 01:01 PM (This post was last modified: 10-06-2017 02:47 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Comey fired
(10-06-2017 10:42 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Comey testified that Trump was not under investigation for colluding with the Russians. Comey testified that Trump never attempted to shut down the Russian investigation. The big deal here is Comey says Trump wanted the Flynn perjury investigation to go away. But then Comey was asked in his testimony if the president, as the head of the executive branch, can decide who the FBI can or cannot investigate and he said YES.

So, Comey's testimony contradicts. He says the president can order the FBI to shut down any investigation. But then he says he took Trump's comment "I hope you can let this go, Flynn is a good guy" as an directive to close the Flynn case.

If he took it as an order to close the case, and he knows the president has the authority to order a case closed, then he should have immediately closed the Flynn case. If he believed Trump was ordering the case closed for corrupt reasons, he has a duty to resign. By his own testimony he failed to follow a lawful order.


Don't matter. Only thing that matters is if Mueller finds that Trump had "corrupt intent" when telling Comey he hoped the Flynn investigation would go away. And that is going to boil down to whether or not Mueller thinks the fact that Trump dismissed everyone from the room, waited for them to leave, and even waved Prince Rebus off at one point when he stuck his weird looking face in, prior to raising the topic with Comey constitutes knowledge that his next actions were of "corrupt intent." Prima facie it certainly does if we were talking about a person with normal cognitive capacity. It's definitely not going to come down to Trump's word against Comey's because Mueller already knows who's telling the truth on that. Trump's best defense at this point is an Alzheimer's diagnosis.

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10-06-2017, 01:08 PM
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(10-06-2017 01:01 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  ...
Trump's best defense at this point is an Alzheimer's diagnosis.

... or that he was "only following orders."

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10-06-2017, 01:12 PM
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(10-06-2017 10:42 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Comey testified that Trump was not under investigation for colluding with the Russians. Comey testified that Trump never attempted to shut down the Russian investigation. The big deal here is Comey says Trump wanted the Flynn perjury investigation to go away. But then Comey was asked in his testimony if the president, as the head of the executive branch, can decide who the FBI can or cannot investigate and he said YES.

So, Comey's testimony contradicts. He says the president can order the FBI to shut down any investigation. But then he says he took Trump's comment "I hope you can let this go, Flynn is a good guy" as an directive to close the Flynn case.

If he took it as an order to close the case, and he knows the president has the authority to order a case closed, then he should have immediately closed the Flynn case. If he believed Trump was ordering the case closed for corrupt reasons, he has a duty to resign. By his own testimony he failed to follow a lawful order.

What a load of bullshit. The office of the President, can only appoint and fire, he cannot order the shut down of any investigation. There is no fucking point in having the concept checks on power if a president can do anything they want. If you want to live in a state that has propaganda for media and no checks on power, move to North Korea.

Comey was referring to Trump's unethical behavior for that reason.

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10-06-2017, 01:21 PM
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(10-06-2017 01:12 PM)Brian37 Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 10:42 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Comey testified that Trump was not under investigation for colluding with the Russians. Comey testified that Trump never attempted to shut down the Russian investigation. The big deal here is Comey says Trump wanted the Flynn perjury investigation to go away. But then Comey was asked in his testimony if the president, as the head of the executive branch, can decide who the FBI can or cannot investigate and he said YES.

So, Comey's testimony contradicts. He says the president can order the FBI to shut down any investigation. But then he says he took Trump's comment "I hope you can let this go, Flynn is a good guy" as an directive to close the Flynn case.

If he took it as an order to close the case, and he knows the president has the authority to order a case closed, then he should have immediately closed the Flynn case. If he believed Trump was ordering the case closed for corrupt reasons, he has a duty to resign. By his own testimony he failed to follow a lawful order.

What a load of bullshit. The office of the President, can only appoint and fire, he cannot order the shut down of any investigation. There is no fucking point in having the concept checks on power if a president can do anything they want. If you want to live in a state that has propaganda for media and no checks on power, move to North Korea.

Comey was referring to Trump's unethical behavior for that reason.

It came from Comey himself. Read the transcript. He said specifically the president can order the FBI to stop an investigation. The president is the head of the executive branch. The checks and balances on the executive branch comes from the legislative and judicial branch. It is the duty of the legislative branch to hold the president accountable through impeachment, not the FBI.

Even Alan Dershowitz, Harvard Legal Scholar, liberal, Hillary supporter has come out and said Trump did nothing illegal and used his constitutional power as head of the executive branch.

http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-ch...bstruction

Do I think Trump was wrong for saying what he said? Maybe. Do I think Trump is being truthful? No. I wish he would be honest about it. Rubio and Paul Ryan have basically given him a pass because of of inexperience in politics and he wants to continue to deny it. That is stupid IMO.

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10-06-2017, 01:53 PM
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(10-06-2017 01:21 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Even Alan Dershowitz, Harvard Legal Scholar, liberal, Hillary supporter has come out and said Trump did nothing illegal and used his constitutional power as head of the executive branch.

Doesn't have to be illegal to be impeachable.

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10-06-2017, 01:59 PM
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(10-06-2017 01:53 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 01:21 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Even Alan Dershowitz, Harvard Legal Scholar, liberal, Hillary supporter has come out and said Trump did nothing illegal and used his constitutional power as head of the executive branch.

Doesn't have to be illegal to be impeachable.

Actually it does. The constitution states "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors."

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10-06-2017, 02:04 PM (This post was last modified: 10-06-2017 02:22 PM by GirlyMan.)
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(10-06-2017 01:59 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 01:53 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Doesn't have to be illegal to be impeachable.

Actually it does. The constitution states "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors."

You could've just googled what that actually meant before making a fool of yourself in public for being too lazy and arrogant to spend 10 seconds to check yourself first. You really do think you are the authority on all matters politic, don't you. You don't even doubt yourself enough to even consider the possibility that you might be about to make a fool of yourself in public. You are one arrogant son of a bitch, I'll give you that. No wonder you feel such affinity for Trump.

The charge of high crimes and misdemeanors covers allegations of misconduct peculiar to officials, such as perjury of oath, abuse of authority, bribery, intimidation, misuse of assets, failure to supervise, dereliction of duty, unbecoming conduct, and refusal to obey a lawful order. Offenses by officials also include ordinary crimes, but perhaps with different standards of proof and punishment than for nonofficials, on the grounds that more is expected of officials by their oaths of office.

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10-06-2017, 02:12 PM
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(10-06-2017 02:04 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 01:59 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Actually it does. The constitution states "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors."

Or you could just google what that actually means.

The charge of high crimes and misdemeanors covers allegations of misconduct peculiar to officials, such as perjury of oath, abuse of authority, bribery, intimidation, misuse of assets, failure to supervise, dereliction of duty, unbecoming conduct, and refusal to obey a lawful order. Offenses by officials also include ordinary crimes, but perhaps with different standards of proof and punishment than for nonofficials, on the grounds that more is expected of officials by their oaths of office.

I guess what I was getting at was there has to be some type of crime, whether on the books as a law or not. The congress would determine the "crime." But its not like they can just make something up and call it a high crime or misdemeanor. Has to be something that is commonly known as a high crime.

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10-06-2017, 02:18 PM
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(10-06-2017 02:12 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  I guess what I was getting at was there has to be some type of crime, whether on the books as a law or not. The congress would determine the "crime." But its not like they can just make something up and call it a high crime or misdemeanor. Has to be something that is commonly known as a high crime.




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