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11-02-2015, 03:48 PM
RE: Coming out
(11-02-2015 03:44 PM)kim Wrote:  
(10-02-2015 03:02 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Assumptions here include that all these negative things--"such negativity, stifled growth, and emotional abuse" come from dad because he's a theist. That's the kind of a priori thinking that is damaging. Again, I would see what my parents are doing but also try to get a bit more data from mom and/or dad as parents are often different behind closed doors.

Uhm, no. The mother wants out of the marriage - this is definite. The father has been stated as using the couple's faith to keep the mother in a marriage she has made clear she wants out of.

Aside from the fact that the father is trying to use faith as leverage to control the mother, this has nothing to do with theist or atheist, Q dork. This is about a relationship that doesn't work. Jesus fucking Christ ... when a relationship goes south just get out and heal. Beating a dead horse just adds to the agony for everyone.

And do we know if the father is being reasonable at all? After all, Catholics would say mom is headed to thousands of years in purgatory for the divorce. While I don't believe a Christian who divorces loses their assurance--for all we know--unless we missed something in this thread, mom is doing some very off or bad things... which is why I said to get more data. Again, of course, atheists push for dissolution of the marriage as opposed to counseling or other holistic approaches. Not good IMO! Of course, you push for it because dad is a theist. He might also be the saint in this equation. How assumptive. I'm sorry, but that's what I see here.

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11-02-2015, 03:58 PM
RE: Coming out
(11-02-2015 03:48 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(11-02-2015 03:44 PM)kim Wrote:  Uhm, no. The mother wants out of the marriage - this is definite. The father has been stated as using the couple's faith to keep the mother in a marriage she has made clear she wants out of.

Aside from the fact that the father is trying to use faith as leverage to control the mother, this has nothing to do with theist or atheist, Q dork. This is about a relationship that doesn't work. Jesus fucking Christ ... when a relationship goes south just get out and heal. Beating a dead horse just adds to the agony for everyone.

And do we know if the father is being reasonable at all? After all, Catholics would say mom is headed to thousands of years in purgatory for the divorce. While I don't believe a Christian who divorces loses their assurance--for all we know--unless we missed something in this thread, mom is doing some very off or bad things... which is why I said to get more data. Again, of course, atheists push for dissolution of the marriage as opposed to counseling or other holistic approaches. Not good IMO! Of course, you push for it because dad is a theist. He might also be the saint in this equation. How assumptive. I'm sorry, but that's what I see here.

Q, kindly fuck off as you're not helping. Divorce is a valid option when things won't work out or one or the other person is a complete abusive asswipe. Hanging around hoping something will change through counseling is not the best solution for either party in many cases, especially with physically or sexually abusive spouses.

In either case, it's the OP's parents decision and not yours. Trying to nudge religion into it doesn't help.
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11-02-2015, 03:58 PM
RE: Coming out
(10-02-2015 03:03 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(10-02-2015 12:07 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  This is a church of what - 3 members, counting yourself??

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I smell something.... and it ain't cookies.....

A church movement of tens of thousands of people, internationally. Very strong on families and the gospel.

Here's where I'm calling "Extreme Bullshit"..

If -- just IF, there was ANY group that had such a statistical difference in rate of divorce -- it would be worldwide knowledge -- EVERY media group would be advertising it.....

It's like pecker pills..... THey used to sell "Spanish Fly" out of the back of girlie magazines - claiming to "enhance male performance"..... Total bullshit, of course.

VIAGRA on the other hand -- well -- I suspect you've heard of that by now, right????

Why????

Because it WORKS.....

IF your church really had a 25 times rate of success in marriage over the "regular" population -- it WOULD GET NOTICED.....

Logical conclusion??

You're full of shit.

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11-02-2015, 06:14 PM
RE: Coming out
(11-02-2015 03:48 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(11-02-2015 03:44 PM)kim Wrote:  Uhm, no. The mother wants out of the marriage - this is definite. The father has been stated as using the couple's faith to keep the mother in a marriage she has made clear she wants out of.

Aside from the fact that the father is trying to use faith as leverage to control the mother, this has nothing to do with theist or atheist, Q dork. This is about a relationship that doesn't work. Jesus fucking Christ ... when a relationship goes south just get out and heal. Beating a dead horse just adds to the agony for everyone.

And do we know if the father is being reasonable at all? After all, Catholics would say mom is headed to thousands of years in purgatory for the divorce. While I don't believe a Christian who divorces loses their assurance--for all we know--unless we missed something in this thread, mom is doing some very off or bad things... which is why I said to get more data. Again, of course, atheists push for dissolution of the marriage as opposed to counseling or other holistic approaches. Not good IMO! Of course, you push for it because dad is a theist. He might also be the saint in this equation. How assumptive. I'm sorry, but that's what I see here.

Q, my sister is going through a divorce right now. She and my BIL are BOTH believers. They went through counselling at their church and also with a professional. It was the CHURCH elders who told my sister that she may want to consider filing. Your pompous generalization only makes you and your stance more ridiculous. I, the amoral atheist, was the one who kept asking her if divorce was really necessary. It is the beliefs of your insane religion that will forever make my sister think she is committing adultry should she find love again.

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11-02-2015, 06:44 PM (This post was last modified: 11-02-2015 06:47 PM by tln88.)
RE: Coming out
Q wrote:
Quote:You do know Stephen Colbert is a religious person, right? I've seen him debate people on his show defending Christ's deity and etc.

You DO know that the character he played on his show is MADE UP, right?
It is a PARODY... know the term?
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11-02-2015, 07:08 PM
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I can't support staying in a marriage when they're both so unhappy. What will happen is that they will grow apart and harbor bad feelings toward each other. Furthermore, it will foster ideas of cheating; we all want happiness so maybe one or both will be tempted to cheat.

So we have an issue of common sense. Divorce and go through that pain, or stay in a loveless marriage that has the potential of becoming much, much worse.

(Almost hyperbolic addendum: How many true crime shows revolve around bad marriages?)
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11-02-2015, 08:02 PM (This post was last modified: 11-02-2015 08:08 PM by cjlr.)
RE: Coming out
(11-02-2015 06:44 PM)tln88 Wrote:  Q wrote:
Quote:You do know Stephen Colbert is a religious person, right? I've seen him debate people on his show defending Christ's deity and etc.

You DO know that the character he played on his show is MADE UP, right?
It is a PARODY... know the term?

Is there an official inverse corollary to Poe's law? Does it have a name?

Any sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from conviction, yes? Because it then follows that the True Believers™ will take that satire as genuine...

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11-02-2015, 08:07 PM
RE: Coming out
(11-02-2015 08:02 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(11-02-2015 06:44 PM)tln88 Wrote:  Q wrote:
You DO know that the character he played on his show is MADE UP, right?
It is a PARODY... know the term?

Is there an official inverse corollary to Poe's law*? Does it have a name?

Any sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from conviction, yes? Because it then follows that the True Believers™ will take that satire as genuine...

I was just gonna tell Q he's a dumbfuck. Big Grin
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11-02-2015, 08:08 PM
RE: Coming out
(11-02-2015 08:07 PM)pablo Wrote:  
(11-02-2015 08:02 PM)cjlr Wrote:  Is there an official inverse corollary to Poe's law*? Does it have a name?

Any sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from conviction, yes? Because it then follows that the True Believers™ will take that satire as genuine...

I was just gonna tell Q he's a dumbfuck. Big Grin

A perennial option in itself, to be sure.

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12-02-2015, 03:50 PM
RE: Coming out
All,

1. We do "advertise" our divorce rate being low--in that we're a witnessing and church-planting church movement. People stay with us often, because after a few visits as they get to know and see healthy family dynamics...

2. I'm hearing a lot of shouting (from some, not all of you) that it's okay for mom to leave dad because he's a controlling monster, when all I've heard to date on this couple is that he is saying he doesn't want mom to pay a spiritual price for leaving the marriage--which indicates to me he could be in cultic church, or the Roman church, in other words, we don't know about him being abusive. Personally, I'd rather hear dad loves mom and wants her to stay rather than saying "hellfire!" but...

3. I never said mom is committing adultery if she finds love again--and I believe that it is permissible for divorcees to remarry, and that divorce is permissible, even welcomed and encouraged, when there is abuse. The real issue is we don't have enough data, here--and that when I dared suggest that it sounds like dad is a theist who also doesn't believe in divorce but that mom wants out--though we don't know if mom is a saint, a sinner, Mrs. Brady or a prostitute--she's just a mom that a young person cares for as his mom--everyone went off the deep end IMHO. That is, everyone assumed because the poster said he's wanting mom to feel free to leave despite dad's theistic protestations--well, everyone assumed.

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