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14-01-2016, 07:55 PM
RE: Commentary on Q and Mark
(14-01-2016 07:10 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(14-01-2016 05:10 PM)Grasshopper Wrote:  The bit about Paul being beaten by the Romans reminds me of something I read just the other day (in E.P. Sanders' Paul: A Short Introduction). In one of his letters, Paul claims to have been beaten "countless times" -- and then immediately proceeds to count them.

Laugh out load

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The point is (here) that he doesn't say who has beaten him...he definitely doesn't say it was "the Romans." I'm pretty sure about this, but would be happy to be corrected by our "expert."

Mayhaps he beat his meat countless times as many of us have!
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15-01-2016, 04:05 AM
RE: Commentary on Q and Mark
(14-01-2016 07:55 PM)DerFish Wrote:  
(14-01-2016 07:10 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  YepBig Grin

The point is (here) that he doesn't say who has beaten him...he definitely doesn't say it was "the Romans." I'm pretty sure about this, but would be happy to be corrected by our "expert."

Mayhaps he beat his meat countless times as many of us have!

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15-01-2016, 06:32 AM (This post was last modified: 15-01-2016 07:42 AM by TheInquisition.)
RE: Commentary on Q and Mark
(14-01-2016 07:55 PM)DerFish Wrote:  
(14-01-2016 07:10 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  YepBig Grin

The point is (here) that he doesn't say who has beaten him...he definitely doesn't say it was "the Romans." I'm pretty sure about this, but would be happy to be corrected by our "expert."

Mayhaps he beat his meat countless times as many of us have!

He was religious, so maybe someone else besides Rosy palm and her 5 sisters:




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20-01-2016, 08:28 AM
RE: Commentary on Q and Mark
From reading some of your postings Mark, it appears that Marcion himself may have had a hand in authoring some of these writings of Paul.

Marcion and Philo were certainly talking about a different god than YHWH.

Maybe Philo has the early version of a loving god different from the OT god and then Marcion took the idea and ran with it, to the point of being called a heretic.

Do you think a lot of the teachings of Paul were simply those that Philo had? Was there some fundamental difference or did Paul simply slap his god's name tag on a Gnostic kludge that he made up himself?

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20-01-2016, 03:01 PM
RE: Commentary on Q and Mark
Wait a sec, is Q going to assert that the Jews in Phillipi were Roman and those were the Romans that beat Paul?

Sounds like something the slimy weasel would do.

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21-01-2016, 10:54 AM
RE: Commentary on Q and Mark
(20-01-2016 03:01 PM)TheInquisition Wrote:  Wait a sec, is Q going to assert that the Jews in Phillipi were Roman and those were the Romans that beat Paul?

Sounds like something the slimy weasel would do.

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22-01-2016, 03:01 PM
RE: Commentary on Q and Mark
(20-01-2016 08:28 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  From reading some of your postings Mark, it appears that Marcion himself may have had a hand in authoring some of these writings of Paul.

Marcion and Philo were certainly talking about a different god than YHWH.

Maybe Philo has the early version of a loving god different from the OT god and then Marcion took the idea and ran with it, to the point of being called a heretic.

Do you think a lot of the teachings of Paul were simply those that Philo had? Was there some fundamental difference or did Paul simply slap his god's name tag on a Gnostic kludge that he made up himself?

"From reading some of your postings Mark, it appears that Marcion himself may have had a hand in authoring some of these writings of Paul."

Indeed. Some authors have even postulated that Marcion totally invented the writings of Paul ie that he wrote them all. I think that's very unlikely.

"Marcion and Philo were certainly talking about a different god than YHWH."

Yep.

"Maybe Philo has the early version of a loving god different from the OT god and then Marcion took the idea and ran with it, to the point of being called a heretic."

Yes, it's possible

"Do you think a lot of the teachings of Paul were simply those that Philo had? Was there some fundamental difference or did Paul simply slap his god's name tag on a Gnostic kludge that he made up himself?"

I must admit I'm not very familiar with Philo. I can say that I haven't read this idea anywhere though. I can also tell you that I think Paul's theology was very much made up by Paul... he thought he was inspired by God and that gave him license to write down anything that suited his political agenda.
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22-01-2016, 03:06 PM
RE: Commentary on Q and Mark
(20-01-2016 03:01 PM)TheInquisition Wrote:  Wait a sec, is Q going to assert that the Jews in Phillipi were Roman and those were the Romans that beat Paul?

Sounds like something the slimy weasel would do.

It's nice to read that someone else has noticed Q's dishonesty.
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22-01-2016, 04:48 PM
RE: Commentary on Q and Mark
(22-01-2016 03:06 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(20-01-2016 03:01 PM)TheInquisition Wrote:  Wait a sec, is Q going to assert that the Jews in Phillipi were Roman and those were the Romans that beat Paul?

Sounds like something the slimy weasel would do.

It's nice to read that someone else has noticed Q's dishonesty.

Trust me, he is nowhere near the only one.

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27-01-2016, 12:41 PM
RE: Commentary on Q and Mark
Mr Whack-a-mole pops his head up in the thread again and completely ignores your demand for asking for proof that Paul was beaten by Romans, but he throws out a lot of verses that says that Paul suffered. Facepalm

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