"Common Ground" or, "I Don't Want to Pwn My Mother"
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25-02-2012, 02:58 PM
RE: "Common Ground" or, "I Don't Want to Pwn My Mother"
Interesting little update: Mom told me last night that she's reading a book titled, "You Lost Me," by David Kinnaman--it's about why young people (primarily they're discussing 18-29 year olds) are leaving the Church and sometimes the faith altogether. Mom said her pastor is asking all Council members to read it...Mom's not on Council, but she said she wants to read it anyway....it may very well be general interest on her part, but I can't help but wonder if she's trying to gain insight into my atheism without asking me about me. Maybe I'll write her a letter about it one day. I picked up the book and am going to read it as well. <3

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25-02-2012, 04:32 PM
RE: "Common Ground" or, "I Don't Want to Pwn My Mother"
Pastor Erxomai remembers being very concerned about this topic as he saw his young peers and later younger charges leaving the friendly confines of Mother Church. Now Erxomai thanks those apostates for leading the way!

Looks like it should be a good read for you:



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25-02-2012, 05:29 PM
RE: "Common Ground" or, "I Don't Want to Pwn My Mother"
I can't say much as I cheat. I have a brother who is an atheist, but my parents still don't know. I seem to be the only one of me and my siblings that doesn't mind telling this to my parents. They knew when I started masturbating as a kid (sorry for that Mom) and when I started smoking (which is probably the worst thing I've ever done... Well, to myself). Either way, if my parents were to ask me of something or bring up something with me directly, I have no problem telling them everything I know. Well, actually it is kind of a problem in that I do that a lot. I think I get that from my mother actually. Well, my parents don't ask me about anything they know will conflict. That's just how they are. When they do, they just kind of stop listening. It's almost like if they don't know, then it can't hurt them or something. I'm unsure. Here's the odd part. Because they don't know my brother is an atheist, he ends up talking a lot to them... and they listen. His stances are exactly the same as mine on most religious subjects, but they just take it all in and find an agreement. WTF? Given the same topic, they don't agree, they don't listen... I know this because anything else is fine. Any other topic. It's like a switch in their brain or something. "Well, he's an atheist so he doesn't really know." It's very weird. Plus when I told them I was an atheist my father kept saying he was so insulted.. yeah, insulted. Really? By what I believe... Either way, it was just a defense mechanism. He get's pissed, but then he finds something funny and laughs it off, but when he can't laugh it off he grasps at all kinds of things. The one that hurt me the most for some reason was a crack about kids. It wasn't even insulting in the wording, it was just the level at which he seemed to be trying to hurt me at the time. Looking back it was pitiful and saddening, but it still hurts me...

Sorry, went off for a second. Either way, don't be embarrassed about it. If you are going out with friend's for Darwin's birthday, just tell her... Reading a book and connecting over something is good. Continue with it. Continue staying connected, and if she asks about your life tell her that too. It's possible that it will never come up again. My parents will never bring it up again if they have the choice even though it does come up. It doesn't really affect our relation much, but I see them more as flawed humans more then ever before... in a way, I love them more for it. Well, as a person headed to 40 sounds kind of odd to say that... it happened a while ago. Either way, my brother still gets into discussions with my mom over it since he lives near them, but I don't even bother anymore. Don't really care. They know I'm an atheist. If they want to talk about it, they can ask about it. I know also that it would hurt them to talk about it, so if they come to me specifically on it, I know that it's a serious and possibly long talk. If that happens to you, don't take it lightly. Don't try to convert, but don't coddle them.. her... uh, not even sure what I mean by that... I guess don't leave it open that you might come "back to the faith" if you don't think that will happen. It's false hope... well, you probably know this... I guess just cherish the time you have with your mother. Enjoy talking and connecting... Don't let something as silly as religion get in the way of that.

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25-02-2012, 06:18 PM
RE: "Common Ground" or, "I Don't Want to Pwn My Mother"
(25-02-2012 04:32 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  Pastor Erxomai remembers being very concerned about this topic as he saw his young peers and later younger charges leaving the friendly confines of Mother Church. Now Erxomai thanks those apostates for leading the way!

Thanks, Erx Smile If ya' don't mind elaborating, what specifically about the youth abandoning church concerned you?

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25-02-2012, 06:22 PM
RE: "Common Ground" or, "I Don't Want to Pwn My Mother"
(25-02-2012 06:18 PM)ValerieAnn1975 Wrote:  
(25-02-2012 04:32 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  Pastor Erxomai remembers being very concerned about this topic as he saw his young peers and later younger charges leaving the friendly confines of Mother Church. Now Erxomai thanks those apostates for leading the way!

Thanks, Erx Smile If ya' don't mind elaborating, what specifically about the youth abandoning church concerned you?

Easy...loss of income! Big Grin


No, actually, at the time, it was a pastoral concern that people weren't connecting to God as deeply as I was and if they knew the Lord as intimately as I did, they wouldn't dream of leaving the church. I felt I had a mission to explain the Gospel in a way that showed the personal relationship God wants to have with his people instead of following all the rules of religion. I was like this guy, only without the rhymes:




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25-02-2012, 06:56 PM
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I'll skip the poetics and take your word for it.

I'm sure somewhere on this forum you've written an in-depth account of your journey to unbelief--care to link to it, or ya' gonna' punish me and make me find it myself?

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25-02-2012, 07:31 PM
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(25-02-2012 06:56 PM)ValerieAnn1975 Wrote:  I'll skip the poetics and take your word for it.

I'm sure somewhere on this forum you've written an in-depth account of your journey to unbelief--care to link to it, or ya' gonna' punish me and make me find it myself?

Punishing sounds intriguing...

When I first arrived here, I regurgitated my de-conversion all over the place. I think this one gives the most info in one place:

http://thethinkingatheist.com/forum/Thre...ht=erxomai

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25-02-2012, 08:25 PM
RE: "Common Ground" or, "I Don't Want to Pwn My Mother"
(25-02-2012 07:31 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  
(25-02-2012 06:56 PM)ValerieAnn1975 Wrote:  I'll skip the poetics and take your word for it.

I'm sure somewhere on this forum you've written an in-depth account of your journey to unbelief--care to link to it, or ya' gonna' punish me and make me find it myself?

Punishing sounds intriguing...

When I first arrived here, I regurgitated my de-conversion all over the place. I think this one gives the most info in one place:

http://thethinkingatheist.com/forum/Thre...ht=erxomai

Uh-oh, back to penance again! Wink I'll check it out, thanks.

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26-02-2012, 02:01 AM (This post was last modified: 26-02-2012 02:16 AM by rook2004.)
RE: "Common Ground" or, "I Don't Want to Pwn My Mother"
(25-02-2012 06:22 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  I was like this guy, only without the rhymes:

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The biggest problem I had with this video when I first saw it was when he mentioned the corpse rotting inside the mummy. Dude, mummification is a process of preservation; if your mummy rots you're doin' it wrong.

And of course the entire thesis of the video. Sure, it's okay to come to church having looked at porn, but after Jesus cures your pornographitis, it's not supposed to come back. And if it does, you're a goddamned unrepentant backslider. The difference between the video's church and the video's jesus is the undisclosed statute of limitations on forgiveness. At least the Catholics managed to figure that one out. Fuckin' hippie evangelicals.


As for pwning my mother...I'm a little worried that it will actually drive her off the cliff into the deep end. She and my dad are having crazy marital issues, and religion is definitely one of the problems on the table. (She keeps telling me that dad says he doesn't believe anymore and that if she could JUST get him to go to church then it would fix their relationship.) I'm not 100% sure I can trust her not to abandon all hope if she finds out I don't believe in God. In fact, she's trying to use me to get dad to go to church tomorrow, on the premise that if I go she'll be more likely to convince him. I'm laying low.
(25-02-2012 07:31 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  When I first arrived here, I regurgitated my de-conversion all over the place. I think this one gives the most info in one place:

http://thethinkingatheist.com/forum/Thre...ht=erxomai

(11-12-2011 10:02 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  In August, I said the words out loud, "I'm an atheist," and I finally felt the freedom that I was supposed to have in Christ, but never found.

DUDE. YES. Nothing brought on the freedom of Christ like giving up the Christianity bullshit. I wonder how our mothers would react to hearing it said like THAT?
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