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30-08-2012, 11:59 AM
RE: Community Policy
What options do you propose to put in the poll?

Just asking because everyone here seems to make everything really deep reaching and complicated, when it really is a simple thing. Wouldn't want the poll to list only complicated solutions.

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30-08-2012, 12:04 PM
RE: Community Policy
(30-08-2012 11:53 AM)Chas Wrote:  Only if it's a non-binding referendum; just to take the pulse of the members.

I agree with this.

One of the things that amuses/exasperates me is that half the time the people who want trolls banned when they appear are the same people who spend the rest of the time praising our pro free speech approach.

I think if we have a poll now then there will probably be more people advocating change than if we did it two weeks ago before Bishadi. Similarly, I think if Bishadi left today and you did a poll in a few weeks time then there would be more people advocating staying the same.

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30-08-2012, 12:05 PM
RE: Community Policy
(30-08-2012 11:59 AM)Dom Wrote:  What options do you propose to put in the poll?

Just asking because everyone here seems to make everything really deep reaching and complicated, when it really is a simple thing. Wouldn't want the poll to list only complicated solutions.
I'd say, let's keep it simple.

Poll: Do you think the forum needs to be changed because of the recent events?
Option a: Yes
Option b: No

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30-08-2012, 12:07 PM
RE: Community Policy
(30-08-2012 12:05 PM)Vosur Wrote:  
(30-08-2012 11:59 AM)Dom Wrote:  What options do you propose to put in the poll?

Just asking because everyone here seems to make everything really deep reaching and complicated, when it really is a simple thing. Wouldn't want the poll to list only complicated solutions.
I'd say, let's keep it simple.

Poll: Do you think the forum needs to be changed because of the recent events?
Option a: Yes
Option b: No

Option c: Cheez-Wiz

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30-08-2012, 12:14 PM
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what's with all the policy crap talk ? see this is the kinda shit that got the U.S. government so fucked up...

just treat others as you'd expect to be treated yerself.. this novel of an idea has been around since before religions started making claim to it....

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30-08-2012, 12:15 PM
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(30-08-2012 12:07 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  Option c: Cheez-Wiz

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30-08-2012, 12:15 PM
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(30-08-2012 11:17 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  
(30-08-2012 11:07 AM)kim Wrote:  I like the "Ignore" list... I used it quite a lot in conjunction with AbdelZ. I had him on it, and if I needed to see what was being referred to in something he posted, there is an option to momentarily see what this post says - it works like the "spoiler" button within the "ignore" option.
All I know is - I had AbdelZ on ignore, was able to follow a thread, but did it with a lot less stress. That was important for me at the time - the creepy asshole had previously PM'd me and really pissed me off. The ignore function made me feel like I wasn't missing anything but also made me feel like I was in control - not the asshole. Thumbsup

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30-08-2012, 06:23 PM
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As a newbie to this site, I'm not really looking for protection. I am a long-time Internet user, have hosted online forums for more than a decade, am an adult, and can ignore most idiots.

That said, there are people who intend to damage a site and care nothing about its mission, the people using it, logic, etc. If this site has admins with a little experience, I would expect them to balance absolute free speech against the damage to the culture of the site when the need arises. If that fails, they will probably eventually notice a mob armed with torches and pitchforks chasing some idiot off the site.

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30-08-2012, 07:55 PM (This post was last modified: 30-08-2012 07:59 PM by Question.)
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I don't really want to be babied, I've gotten lots of warnings on other websites because I was "offending" the Christians when I wasn't even in a aggressive mood, if someone is being an ass, let people here rip him a new one. If he hurts someone, there are many people here who are more than willing to lend a ear and help someone in pain.

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30-08-2012, 08:02 PM (This post was last modified: 31-08-2012 01:08 AM by cufflink.)
RE: Community Policy
(30-08-2012 06:23 PM)closet.atheist Wrote:  That said, there are people who intend to damage a site and care nothing about its mission, the people using it, logic, etc. If this site has admins with a little experience, I would expect them to balance absolute free speech against the damage to the culture of the site when the need arises. If that fails, they will probably eventually notice a mob armed with torches and pitchforks chasing some idiot off the site.

This states the problem clearly. The solution isn't as clear.

The current policy of virtually absolute free speech, with no one banned for invective, insensitivity, racism, sexism, and general asshole-ish behavior, at least has the virtue of being clear-cut and workable. We know exactly where the line is: post porn or nudity, spam, or threaten someone, and you're gone; otherwise, say what you want--you won't be kicked out. If the admins were to ban for "bad behavior," however that's defined, the lines would get fuzzy; people wouldn't necessarily agree whether a given incident of bad behavior was over the line or not. And I can see a lot of decisions creating divisiveness.

But if we don't expand the current criteria for banning, what should the response be to "people who intend to damage a site and care nothing about its mission, the people using it, logic, etc."? It can't simply to be to put the person on ignore. That sends a totally wrong message: say whatever you want, and the worst that will happen is that some us won't respond to you. Think of someone who's just discovered the site and is trying to get the lay of the land before joining. They see all this abuse, and no one is calling the abuser on it. I don't think I'd want to part of a group like that.

The only thing I can think of is some kind of concerted community response to egregiously bad behavior. A dozen members piling on and letting the abuser know they're way over the line can be powerful. Neg reps can be useful. Strongly supporting someone who's been abused can help. In extreme cases, 20 members telling someone they're not welcome and urging them to leave on their own--"the torches and pitchforks" solution--might be necessary. I dunno. My point is that people have to respond in some vocal way to really bad behavior. Silence is not an option.

ETA: Should have included thread derailment in my list of possible community responses. Thanks, Girly.

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