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12-06-2015, 06:56 PM
Consciousness is fundamental to reality
I have a hard time subscribing to the view that consciousness is the result of mundane electro chemical processes. This is merely a theory not fact.

To claim that consciousness isn't necessary in my mind is absurd, especially because such a view is coming from a conscious sentient being, the statement is almost non-sequitur.

You cannot possibly eliminate the conscious observer from any system and by any means know it is there, or it has happened, and so on. There is no way around this. The conscious observer is the single undeniable repeatable thing which is present in each experiment, each piece of data, each and everything that you are aware of.the conscious observer is always the single common element to each and every thing known.

If you try to eliminate consciousness from the system, even a hypothetical one, nothing happens; you don't even know nothing happens.

Certainty is a perception, it can only be alluding to a conscious observer. Without consciousness there is no certainty.
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12-06-2015, 06:57 PM
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Getting kind of spammy in here with two nearly identical threads.

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12-06-2015, 07:01 PM
RE: Consciousness is fundamental to reality
(12-06-2015 06:56 PM)mmhm1234 Wrote:  You cannot possibly eliminate the conscious observer from any system and by any means know it is there, or it has happened, and so on.

You clearly know nothing about evidence for the past. We know all kinds of things about the past at which time there was no consciousness. You are a dumbshit. Weeping

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12-06-2015, 07:01 PM
RE: Consciousness is fundamental to reality
(12-06-2015 06:56 PM)mmhm1234 Wrote:  I have a hard time subscribing to the view that consciousness is the result of mundane electro chemical processes. This is merely a theory not fact.

To claim that consciousness isn't necessary in my mind is absurd, especially because such a view is coming from a conscious sentient being, the statement is almost non-sequitur.

You cannot possibly eliminate the conscious observer from any system and by any means know it is there, or it has happened, and so on. There is no way around this. The conscious observer is the single undeniable repeatable thing which is present in each experiment, each piece of data, each and everything that you are aware of.the conscious observer is always the single common element to each and every thing known.

If you try to eliminate consciousness from the system, even a hypothetical one, nothing happens; you don't even know nothing happens.

Certainty is a perception, it can only be alluding to a conscious observer. Without consciousness there is no certainty.

Your incredulity is not an argument. Try harder.

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12-06-2015, 07:07 PM
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Your incredulity is not an argument. Try harder.
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12-06-2015, 07:12 PM
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How would you know consciousness was not present? Human life might not have existed but in order for anything to be real, it needs to be perceived as such. Consciousness has exists at least since the beginning of the universe
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12-06-2015, 07:14 PM
RE: Consciousness is fundamental to reality
(12-06-2015 07:12 PM)mmhm1234 Wrote:  How would you know consciousness was not present? Human life might not have existed but in order for anything to be real, it needs to be perceived as such. Consciousness has exists at least since the beginning of the universe

Prove it.
Your idiotic assertions are evidence of nothing.
You claim has no more value than "the moon is made of green cheese".

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12-06-2015, 07:16 PM
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You clearly know nothing about evidence for the past. We know all kinds of things about the past at which time there was no consciousness. You are a dumbshit. Weeping
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A materialistic mechanistic universe does not exist. This is not even debatable. The universe is a mere construct of consciousness. Inherently inert dead matter cannot magically become a aware and perceive itself. You can't raise it to any level of complexity to achieve this.
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12-06-2015, 07:19 PM
RE: Consciousness is fundamental to reality
(12-06-2015 07:16 PM)mmhm1234 Wrote:  You clearly know nothing about evidence for the past. We know all kinds of things about the past at which time there was no consciousness. You are a dumbshit. Weeping

A materialistic mechanistic universe does not exist. This is not even debatable. The universe is a mere construct of consciousness. Inherently inert dead matter cannot magically become a aware and perceive itself. You can't raise it to any level of complexity to achieve this.
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So you claim. Too bad for you we know scientifically the elements necessary for consciousness and every one of them is material. There is no woo god consciousness watching anything. But thanks for demonstrating you know nothing about science.

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12-06-2015, 07:21 PM
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Prove it.
Your idiotic assertions are evidence of nothing.
You claim has no more value than "the moon is made of green cheese".
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Answer this simple question: how can you be certain anything exists unless it is perceived as such by consciousness? HOW?? This is irrefutable nothing you can say can refute that simple statement. Reality itself is 100% a construct of consciousness. What meaning does the term 'reality' have in regards to a system or universe where consciousness is non existent? How would such a universe exist when no observer was there to be certain it exists. you know I got you on this one buddy. Know I'll sit back and watch you fumble up a response that alludes my question.
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