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12-06-2015, 08:52 PM
RE: Consciousness is fundamental to reality
(12-06-2015 08:36 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(12-06-2015 08:30 PM)mmhm1234 Wrote:  Your brain and consciousness are not the same. The brain is where all our human emotions, thoughts memories are stored, if it is damaged these will be impaired, my consciousness will not be impaired. The perception will be altered.

No. Completely false. Dead people or people with damaged brains have no consciousness. We can prove that with PET scans, MRIs, CT imaging, and EEGs, and NOT ONE Neurologist in the entire world agrees with your garbage. Consciousness EMERGES ONLY from healthy brains. You can provide NOT ONE example of, or evidence of consciousness, in the absence of a healthy brain.

Mentally I'll people are still conscious, although their Brian's aren't 'healthy'
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12-06-2015, 08:52 PM
RE: Consciousness is fundamental to reality
At work.

Wait.. is the OP now saying that plants and sponges and jellyfish must also think to exist?
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12-06-2015, 08:54 PM
RE: Consciousness is fundamental to reality
(12-06-2015 08:51 PM)epronovost Wrote:  «Your brain and consciousness are not the same. The brain is where all our human emotions, thoughts memories are stored, if it is damaged these will be impaired, my consciousness will not be impaired. The perception will be altered. »

Emotions, thoughts, memories are the basic component of consciousness. They are what defines consciousness. You need these to have a consciousness. Since emotions, thoughts, memories are a function of the brain, it stand to reason that the immediate consequence of these functions, consciousness, is therefore completely dependent of the brain too. If you have brain damage, your state consciousness will be altered or even destroyed. Yes those «mundane chemical and signals» are all there is to your mind or mine.


Emotions and consciousness are not the same at all. Emotions change at a rapid sweeping pace, consciousness does not. Emotions are mere perceptions.
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12-06-2015, 08:55 PM
RE: Consciousness is fundamental to reality
(12-06-2015 08:52 PM)mmhm1234 Wrote:  
(12-06-2015 08:36 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  No. Completely false. Dead people or people with damaged brains have no consciousness. We can prove that with PET scans, MRIs, CT imaging, and EEGs, and NOT ONE Neurologist in the entire world agrees with your garbage. Consciousness EMERGES ONLY from healthy brains. You can provide NOT ONE example of, or evidence of consciousness, in the absence of a healthy brain.

Mentally I'll people are still conscious, although their Brian's aren't 'healthy'

Irrelevant. Attempted evasion.
Their brains are still functioning and oxygenated. Your objection is invalid. You have not provided ONE example of consciousness in the absence of a functioning brain.

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12-06-2015, 08:55 PM
RE: Consciousness is fundamental to reality
(12-06-2015 08:52 PM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  At work.

Wait.. is the OP now saying that plants and sponges and jellyfish must also think to exist?


Wait... Yes I am actually. All life is conscious, even the slightest bug. Where would you draw the line otherwise? Are animals unconscious?
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12-06-2015, 08:58 PM (This post was last modified: 12-06-2015 09:05 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Consciousness is fundamental to reality
(12-06-2015 08:55 PM)mmhm1234 Wrote:  
(12-06-2015 08:52 PM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  At work.

Wait.. is the OP now saying that plants and sponges and jellyfish must also think to exist?


Wait... Yes I am actually. All life is conscious, even the slightest bug. Where would you draw the line otherwise? Are animals unconscious?

Really ? Define "conscious".
So "all life is conscious" ? What evidence do you have for "life" in the early universe ?
Why stop there ? Why just "life" ? There was no "life" in the early universe, so I guess you just defeated yourself there sport, unless a rock is conscious too ?
And you just admitted in the absence of life there is no consciousness.
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12-06-2015, 09:00 PM
RE: Consciousness is fundamental to reality
(12-06-2015 08:55 PM)mmhm1234 Wrote:  [quote='Peebothuhul' pid='797099' dateline='1434163967']
At work.

Wait.. is the OP now saying that plants and sponges and jellyfish must also think to exist?

So.... things without brains are conscious? The OP obviously then some how draws a line between rocks and bacteria. Neither have brains and yet I am guessing the OP will distinguish one as alive because 'life'?

Also.... how is the cloud pushing going?
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12-06-2015, 09:04 PM
RE: Consciousness is fundamental to reality
(12-06-2015 08:55 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(12-06-2015 08:52 PM)mmhm1234 Wrote:  Mentally I'll people are still conscious, although their Brian's aren't 'healthy'

Irrelevant. Attempted evasion.
Their brains are still functioning and oxygenated. Your objection is invalid. You have not provided ONE example of consciousness in the absence of a functioning brain.

Out of body experiences or near death experiences occur when people are dead- no brain activity. Many out of body experiencers have observed events that were completely separate from where there bodies were, and many times in different rooms, that were later verified by other people. In many of these cases there was no way that these people would have been to perceive these events, and yet somehow they did. And after re-entering their bodies, what they perceived was later verified. This phenomenon cannot be chalked up to mere guessing, in fact science can not explain how this occurs.
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12-06-2015, 09:07 PM
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12-06-2015, 09:09 PM
RE: Consciousness is fundamental to reality
(12-06-2015 09:04 PM)mmhm1234 Wrote:  
(12-06-2015 08:55 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Irrelevant. Attempted evasion.
Their brains are still functioning and oxygenated. Your objection is invalid. You have not provided ONE example of consciousness in the absence of a functioning brain.

Out of body experiences or near death experiences occur when people are dead- no brain activity. Many out of body experiencers have observed events that were completely separate from where there bodies were, and many times in different rooms, that were later verified by other people. In many of these cases there was no way that these people would have been to perceive these events, and yet somehow they did. And after re-entering their bodies, what they perceived was later verified. This phenomenon cannot be chalked up to mere guessing, in fact science can not explain how this occurs.

Sorry idiot. "Near death" is not death. You have no clue what you are even talking about. People having "near death" expediences are not dead. There is NOT ONE medical professional in the entire world that would claim that. You, yet again, demonstrate your utter lack of a science or any other education. In fact science HAS explained how this happens, and it even occurs in RATS.
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots...xperiences

You have not defined consciousness. Get with it, child. Define consciousness. Even in your false case, the "near death" IS associated with a specific brain. You were supposed to get an example of consciousness WITHOUT a brain. Get hopping, boy.

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