Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
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19-07-2016, 06:05 AM
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(18-07-2016 07:31 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(18-07-2016 06:09 PM)Banjo Wrote:  Then why do you keep harping on about it?

Because some idiots here want to argue for it's non-existence, duh.

And these same idiots will complain about written sources, suggesting that written testaments are weak evidence, claiming that archaeological evidence is strongest evidence we can have for that period. Yet when a variety of archaeological evidence is available for Nazareth's existence at the time, our dishonest atheists like to complain about the lack of written accounts of it.

Yet this fool can't even define what the word "atheist" (or generally even spell it correctly) means, or what the difference is between them and himself who makes up his own cult of Jebusless "christianity".

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19-07-2016, 06:06 AM
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(19-07-2016 05:14 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(18-07-2016 10:21 PM)Banjo Wrote:  Tacitus never mentioned a "Jesus".

True.

What's more, there were many first and second century "Christs" in Rome.

Tacitus could have been referring to any number of groups, all of which bore little resemblance to the one we think we know.

Yes, another Christ, who just so coincidently had a following called Christians, and was coincidently crucified under the reign of Pilate, and coincidently had a " mischievous superstition" arise following his death.

That's some coincidence huh.

The level of blatant dishonesty that comes out of these parts in discussions like this, still astounds me.

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19-07-2016, 06:12 AM
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(19-07-2016 06:05 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(18-07-2016 07:31 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  Because some idiots here want to argue for it's non-existence, duh.

And these same idiots will complain about written sources, suggesting that written testaments are weak evidence, claiming that archaeological evidence is strongest evidence we can have for that period. Yet when a variety of archaeological evidence is available for Nazareth's existence at the time, our dishonest atheists like to complain about the lack of written accounts of it.

Yet this fool can't even define what the word "atheist" (or generally even spell it correctly) means, or what the difference is between them and himself who makes up his own cult of Jebusless "christianity".

Facepalm

Says the fool that accuses self-identifying christians of not being christian, while failing to define what it means to be a christian, so we can tell whether folks like Marcus Borg, MLK, etc.. are Christian.

An atheist is someone who believes God/s doesn't exist, but more recently defined, as as someone who lacks a belief in God/s existence.

So your turn, define what it means to be a Christian, so we can use your criteria to judge whether Donald Trump is a christian or not.

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"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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19-07-2016, 06:15 AM
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(19-07-2016 06:06 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  The level of blatant dishonesty that comes out of these parts in discussions like this, still astounds me.

This is very unfair. Have you actually read Tacitus?

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19-07-2016, 06:49 AM
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(19-07-2016 06:06 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(19-07-2016 05:14 AM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  True.

What's more, there were many first and second century "Christs" in Rome.

Tacitus could have been referring to any number of groups, all of which bore little resemblance to the one we think we know.

Yes, another Christ, who just so coincidently had a following called Christians, and was coincidently crucified under the reign of Pilate, and coincidently had a " mischievous superstition" arise following his death.

That's some coincidence huh.

The level of blatant dishonesty that comes out of these parts in discussions like this, still astounds me.

You make this statement and fail to recognize the level of dishonesty in your own posts. Facepalm
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19-07-2016, 07:20 AM
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(18-07-2016 07:43 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(18-07-2016 07:09 AM)Chas Wrote:  I fail to see how mid-second century evidence supports Nazareth's existence at the dawn of the first century. :cup

Because the inscription indicates where and when these assignments took place, and by a non-christian source as well.

Nazareth does exist, the only question is when it came into existence. And the fact of the matter is we have a variety of archaeological evidence, to indicate that existed in the first century, graves, an excavated farmhouse, coins, pottery, etc...

But it does show that once again, even when archaeological evidence, is available, beyond any written sources, the denialism still festers.

What it shows is your inability to evaluate evidence. It doesn't matter that it existed in the 2nd century or the late 1st century.

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Quote:There has not yet been shown any evidence that Nazareth existed as a town at the end of the 1st century BCE and beginning of the 1st century CE - the only time of actual interest on the issue.

Except of course the variety of archaeological evidence, as previously mentioned. But go ahead continue on.

You still don't get it. Nobody can be from a town that didn't exist. Show evidence that it existed at the time that it is supposed to (1 BCE/1 CE).
We're still waiting.

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19-07-2016, 07:33 AM (This post was last modified: 19-07-2016 07:40 AM by Tomasia.)
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(19-07-2016 07:20 AM)Chas Wrote:  You still don't get it. Nobody can be from a town that didn't exist. Show evidence that it existed at the time that it is supposed to (1 BCE/1 CE).
We're still waiting.

No, you don't get it.

And this has already been pointed out, we have graves from that area, pottery, coins, even an excavated farmhouse all dating to the time of Jesus, or in some case much earlier.

Not to mention other evidence like this:

"A tablet at the Bibliothèque Nationale in Paris, dating to 50 CE, was sent from Nazareth to Paris in 1878. It contains an inscription known as the "Ordinance of Caesar" that outlines the penalty of death for those who violate tombs or graves. "

But lets see you continue on with your dishonesty.

You claim that archaeological evidence is the strongest form of evidence when it comes to history here, yet here you are attempting to dismiss archeological evidence, to suit your dishonesty.

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19-07-2016, 07:52 AM
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(19-07-2016 06:49 AM)ohio_drg Wrote:  
(19-07-2016 06:06 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  Yes, another Christ, who just so coincidently had a following called Christians, and was coincidently crucified under the reign of Pilate, and coincidently had a " mischievous superstition" arise following his death.

That's some coincidence huh.

The level of blatant dishonesty that comes out of these parts in discussions like this, still astounds me.

You make this statement and fail to recognize the level of dishonesty in your own posts. Facepalm

Yea, says the group supporting the suggestion that Tacitus was referring to another Christ, who was crucified under Pilate, and for whom a "mischievous superstition" broke out in the wake of his death.

And when that suggestions doesn't work as well as they though it would, revert to Tacitus not being a contemporary, or supposedly basing this on what Christians told him.

Simply pathetic.

"Tell me, muse, of the storyteller who has been thrust to the edge of the world, both an infant and an ancient, and through him reveal everyman." ---Homer the aged poet.

"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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19-07-2016, 07:56 AM
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(19-07-2016 06:12 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  An atheist is someone who believes God/s doesn't exist, but more recently defined, as as someone who lacks a belief in God/s existence.

So your turn, define what it means to be a Christian, so we can use your criteria to judge whether Donald Trump is a christian or not.

Thanks for taking the bait.
That's not what Tillich said, so you're shit out of luck. I just proved you wrong when you claimed we had no knowledge of the nuances of Christian theology.
I'll accept Bonhoeffer's definition, AND the fact he said Christianity comes (only) in community. That leaves you out in the cold.

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19-07-2016, 07:57 AM
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(19-07-2016 07:52 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(19-07-2016 06:49 AM)ohio_drg Wrote:  You make this statement and fail to recognize the level of dishonesty in your own posts. Facepalm

Yea, says the group supporting the suggestion that Tacitus was referring to another Christ, who was crucified under Pilate, and for whom a "mischievous superstition" broke out in the wake of his death.

And when that suggestions doesn't work as well as they though it would, revert to Tacitus not being a contemporary, or supposedly basing this on what Christians told him.

Simply pathetic.

It makes no difference to you. You said you need no Jebus for your cult ... (which you can't and won't define).

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