Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
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19-07-2016, 07:29 PM
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(19-07-2016 07:25 PM)Banjo Wrote:  Just show me the evidence. And Paul does not count as he never met Jesus.

Do you have some?

No Paul counts because he met his disciples and brother.

And people with historical disciples, and biological brothers tend to exist.

If such accounts lead one to reasonably conclude that Jesus exists, than it's evidence, regardless of whether you like it or not.

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"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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19-07-2016, 07:34 PM
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(19-07-2016 07:29 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(19-07-2016 07:25 PM)Banjo Wrote:  Just show me the evidence. And Paul does not count as he never met Jesus.

Do you have some?

No Paul counts because he met his disciples and brother.

And people with historical disciples, and biological brothers tend to exist.

If such accounts lead one to reasonably conclude that Jesus exists, than it's evidence, regardless of whether you like it or not.

So this also proves Mohammed spoke to Allah?

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19-07-2016, 07:34 PM
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
On Tacitus being evidence... eh.

If the Christians claimed that their founder had been crucified, the passage would read the same. This by itself is very weak, because it only confirms that people BELIEVED that this was the case.
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19-07-2016, 07:35 PM
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(19-07-2016 07:34 PM)Banjo Wrote:  
(19-07-2016 07:29 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  No Paul counts because he met his disciples and brother.

And people with historical disciples, and biological brothers tend to exist.

If such accounts lead one to reasonably conclude that Jesus exists, than it's evidence, regardless of whether you like it or not.

So this also proves Mohammed spoke to Allah?

False comparison.
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19-07-2016, 07:37 PM
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(19-07-2016 07:35 PM)GoingUp Wrote:  False comparison.

How?

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19-07-2016, 07:38 PM
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(19-07-2016 07:34 PM)Banjo Wrote:  
(19-07-2016 07:29 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  No Paul counts because he met his disciples and brother.

And people with historical disciples, and biological brothers tend to exist.

If such accounts lead one to reasonably conclude that Jesus exists, than it's evidence, regardless of whether you like it or not.

So this also proves Mohammed spoke to Allah?

No it just "proves" that Jesus was a historical person. Because non-historical people don't tend to have biological brothers, or historical disciples. Keep up Bango, and don't try to move the goal posts.

"Tell me, muse, of the storyteller who has been thrust to the edge of the world, both an infant and an ancient, and through him reveal everyman." ---Homer the aged poet.

"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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19-07-2016, 07:40 PM
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(19-07-2016 07:38 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(19-07-2016 07:34 PM)Banjo Wrote:  So this also proves Mohammed spoke to Allah?

No it just "proves" that Jesus was a historical person. Because non-historical people don't tend to have biological brothers, or historical disciples. Keep up Bango, and don't try to move the goal posts.

But we know Mohammed existed, and people knew him and he waged war. Certainly better evidence than the xians have?

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19-07-2016, 07:41 PM
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(19-07-2016 07:34 PM)natachan Wrote:  On Tacitus being evidence... eh.

If the Christians claimed that their founder had been crucified, the passage would read the same. This by itself is very weak, because it only confirms that people BELIEVED that this was the case.

No it wouldn't. It would read along the lines of Tacitus, claiming that Christians believed that Christ was crucified under Pilate, rather than Tacitus asserting it as an established historical fact.

"Tell me, muse, of the storyteller who has been thrust to the edge of the world, both an infant and an ancient, and through him reveal everyman." ---Homer the aged poet.

"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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19-07-2016, 07:42 PM
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(19-07-2016 07:34 PM)natachan Wrote:  On Tacitus being evidence... eh.

If the Christians claimed that their founder had been crucified, the passage would read the same. This by itself is very weak, because it only confirms that people BELIEVED that this was the case.

So a Roman statesman and high ranking authority who just so happens to be regarded as the greatest of all Roman historians who was writing Roman history suddenly would do an about face and start writing Christian history in a Roman history book?

What is not realized here is that Tacitus is not talking about Christ as much as he is boasting about how his mighty Roman empire embarrassed the hated Christians when Pontius Pilate condemned the king of the Christians to the most humiliating form of death imaginable.

You don't understand Tacitus at all. You need to read his works and study him to know the man, and when you know him, you will know he didn't give a damn about Christ or the Christians, because he was writing proud Roman history regarding how this so-called Messiah was destroyed by the mighty Romans.

The crucifixion of Jesus Christ by Pontius Pilate is proud Roman history.
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19-07-2016, 07:43 PM
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(19-07-2016 07:40 PM)Banjo Wrote:  
(19-07-2016 07:38 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  No it just "proves" that Jesus was a historical person. Because non-historical people don't tend to have biological brothers, or historical disciples. Keep up Bango, and don't try to move the goal posts.

But we know Mohammed existed, and people knew him and he waged war. Certainly better evidence than the xians have?

We know Jesus existed as well, that people knew him, that he had a brother named James and disciples, started a religious movement, was killed under the rule of Pilate, etc....

"Tell me, muse, of the storyteller who has been thrust to the edge of the world, both an infant and an ancient, and through him reveal everyman." ---Homer the aged poet.

"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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