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13-07-2016, 09:09 PM (This post was last modified: 13-07-2016 09:30 PM by GoingUp.)
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(13-07-2016 08:59 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(13-07-2016 08:49 PM)GoingUp Wrote:  That is all speculation, not supported with any evidence. I also find it exceptionally unlikely that an entire town would be created in the 2nd century to support an invented prophecy, and yet no one in ancient history ever contested it.

The FACT there is no archaeological evidence for Nazareth is not speculation. The town doesn't "support" an invented prophesy. The invented town IS part of the fake prophesy.

And yet it is mentioned in 5 books in the bible, all dating from late 1st to early 2nd century, and nobody ever said a word about a town being invented? Imagine this ...

"Nazareth? What the fuck! Those bastard Christian fucktards actually invented an entire town a few years ago to support this mythical story about some god man they created known as Jesus! Incredibly, they did this in Roman occupied Judea while trying to hide from, and not be hunted down and killed by, the Romans! IT'S A FUCKING MIRACLE!" - Celsum, AD 145.

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And yes, there is plenty of archaeological evidence demonstrating that people lived and died in that place in the 1st century.

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Quote:Not true. We have 1st century artifacts, and in fact, there are a large number of ancient tombs discovered.

Yes. A place. A GRAVEYARD. Not a town. There is no evidence for a TOWN.

What are you talking about? They have pottery, bath houses, etc.

Would you seriously expect people to cook and eat their meals, and then take a bath ... in a graveyard??

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13-07-2016, 09:28 PM
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(13-07-2016 09:09 PM)GoingUp Wrote:  And yet it is mentioned in 5 books in the bible, all dating from late 1st to early 2nd century, and nobody ever said a word about a town being invented? Imagine this ...

Right. So something being "mentioned" in the Bible makes it true. Hahahahahaha.
*As if* they're going to talk about making up stuff. Oh wait. they did.
http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...rly-church
You can't be serious.

Quote:And yes, there is plenty of archaeological evidence demonstrating that people lived and died in that place in the 1st century.

Which you FAILED to present or reference. What evidence ? Presented by whom ? Where ? When "in the 1st Century" ?

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13-07-2016, 09:36 PM
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(13-07-2016 09:28 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(13-07-2016 09:09 PM)GoingUp Wrote:  And yet it is mentioned in 5 books in the bible, all dating from late 1st to early 2nd century, and nobody ever said a word about a town being invented? Imagine this ...

Right. So something being "mentioned" in the Bible makes it true. Hahahahahaha.
*As if* they're going to talk about making up stuff. Oh wait. they did.
http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...rly-church
You can't be serious.

This supplied no argument to my point of "nobody ever said a word about a town being invented?"

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Quote:And yes, there is plenty of archaeological evidence demonstrating that people lived and died in that place in the 1st century.

Which you FAILED to present or reference. What evidence ? Presented by whom ? Where ? When "in the 1st Century" ?

I gave you the link. Investigate it further. It's been known for years, but every time it is shown to the naysayers, you pretend it doesn't even exist.

It exists.

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13-07-2016, 10:43 PM
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
Still waiting for any type of evidence that a resurrection occurred.

Until then, arguing over whether or not Nazareth existed is rather pointless, I feel.

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13-07-2016, 10:50 PM
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(13-07-2016 10:43 PM)Unbeliever Wrote:  Still waiting for any type of evidence that a resurrection occurred.

Until then, arguing over whether or not Nazareth existed is rather pointless, I feel.

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14-07-2016, 01:55 AM
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(13-07-2016 08:54 PM)GoingUp Wrote:  
(13-07-2016 08:39 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  Unfortunately for you, I can cut and paste from my post 855 in this argument my statement that I believe Yeshua existed...


"Despite the dearth of reputable evidence, I think a man named Yeshua probably did exist, and that parts of the Gospel plots are loosely based on his life. My reasoning is as follows.

There is non-biblical evidence for the existence of John the Baptist, Jesus’ cousin, and for James, Jesus’ brother. John and James were leaders of a Jewish sect, the Nazarenes, and many scholars claim Yeshua was their boss between these two, an idea that fits with what we know about Yeshua. The Nazarenes soldiered on for a few centuries after Jesus’ death, weren’t Christians, and there’s evidence from the church fathers’ writings that they believed Yeshua had existed.

Paul, the creator of Christian theology, claimed he met James and Peter, who may have been Yeshua’s brother and disciple. I don’t think this is a Christian interpolation, as he doesn’t write of them with much respect.

I propose that Yeshua probably existed, but his life story was far less remarkable than the Gospels would have us believe. I think his genuine historical record, if it ever existed, would have recorded his insignificance, so was destroyed by evangelical Christians sometime in the second, third or fourth centuries.

Once Yeshua’s existence is assumed, anyone who writes about him must comb through the Gospels to get specifics about his life. This is unfortunate, because the Gospels are unreliable records; yet to do so is unavoidable because details about him are lacking in other literature."

Unfortunately for you, my statement was valid:

"Not in this argument (regarding the existence of Nazareth) you are not presenting any evidence. You are purposely excluding it to preserve your Nazareth never existed bullshit."

Pathetic! You are playing word games. I know what I have always written about an historical Jesus. You don't.
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14-07-2016, 02:00 AM (This post was last modified: 14-07-2016 04:37 AM by Mark Fulton.)
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(13-07-2016 08:49 PM)GoingUp Wrote:  
(13-07-2016 08:21 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  It doesn't matter. Matthew said there was a prophesy. They bought that.


Quote:As was pointed out, CHRISTIAN archaeologists looked for, and found no "town" of Nazareth. What is far more likely, is that a Christian scribe, much later, didn't know what a "Nazorite", or a "Nazorene" was.

That is all speculation, not supported with any evidence. I also find it exceptionally unlikely that an entire town would be created in the 2nd century to support an invented prophecy, and yet no one in ancient history ever contested it.

Mr. Ball, how deep are you willing to let yourself get into this crazy shit?


Quote:I said nothing about Paul eliminating anything. Paul said nothing about a "Jesus". All he ever talked about was his apocalyptic hero "Christ". There is no archaeological evidence for a town named Nazareth.

Not true. We have 1st century artifacts, and in fact, there are a large number of ancient tombs discovered.

http://www.antiquities.org.il/article_en...40&id=1638


Quote:It may have been a place. It certainly wasn't a "town".

At least you admit the possibility that Nazareth existed as, at the very least, a place.

"Not true. We have 1st century artifacts, and in fact, there are a large number of ancient tombs discovered.

http://www.antiquities.org.il/article_en...40&id=1638"


Read the article. It says nothing about a town or a city, but only that there is evidence of a dwelling. The article claims this dwelling just may have existed in the first century, or that it may date from later than this.

Also....consider the title of the article, ( "For the Very First Time: A Residential Building from the Time of Jesus was Exposed in the Heart of Nazareth (12/21/09))" which should teach you something about the lack of evidence for a first century Nazareth.
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14-07-2016, 02:59 AM (This post was last modified: 14-07-2016 04:41 AM by Mark Fulton.)
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(13-07-2016 09:09 PM)GoingUp Wrote:  
(13-07-2016 08:59 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  The FACT there is no archaeological evidence for Nazareth is not speculation. The town doesn't "support" an invented prophesy. The invented town IS part of the fake prophesy.

And yet it is mentioned in 5 books in the bible, all dating from late 1st to early 2nd century, and nobody ever said a word about a town being invented? Imagine this ...

"Nazareth? What the fuck! Those bastard Christian fucktards actually invented an entire town a few years ago to support this mythical story about some god man they created known as Jesus! Incredibly, they did this in Roman occupied Judea while trying to hide from, and not be hunted down and killed by, the Romans! IT'S A FUCKING MIRACLE!" - Celsum, AD 145.

Big Grin

And yes, there is plenty of archaeological evidence demonstrating that people lived and died in that place in the 1st century.

Quote:Yes. A place. A GRAVEYARD. Not a town. There is no evidence for a TOWN.

What are you talking about? They have pottery, bath houses, etc.

Would you seriously expect people to cook and eat their meals, and then take a bath ... in a graveyard??

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"And yet it is mentioned in 5 books in the bible, all dating from late 1st to early 2nd century, and nobody ever said a word about a town being invented?"

Ha ha!! You might as well have written...

"I have 5 batman comics, and they all say Batman and Robin lived in Gotham city! No one ever wrote Gotham didn't exist! Show me someone who wrote such trash...you can't. So...Bingo! Gotham existed!

Fuck I'm good. I'm so logical, and so informed, I'm on fire! What would you comic haters know about Gotham city?

My Superman comics don't mention Gotham. Why should they? Bingo! Gotham existed! There's a bunch of fuckin' asshole pig headed Batman haters out there, just like you, who have a thing against Batman and Robin and spuman! You narrow minded pricks! The evidence is there... in the comics!

You fuckin' narrow minded atheist God hating assholes! I'll show you! I fuckin' luv something bigger than me, so fuck you! I'm spiritual...yeah..., I'm a fuckin' spirit tool...so I know more than you mythi something fuckin' sisters. Gawd bless Merica."
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14-07-2016, 04:10 AM (This post was last modified: 14-07-2016 04:27 AM by Mark Fulton.)
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(13-07-2016 09:36 PM)GoingUp Wrote:  
(13-07-2016 09:28 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Right. So something being "mentioned" in the Bible makes it true. Hahahahahaha.
*As if* they're going to talk about making up stuff. Oh wait. they did.
http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...rly-church
You can't be serious.

This supplied no argument to my point of "nobody ever said a word about a town being invented?"

Quote:Which you FAILED to present or reference. What evidence ? Presented by whom ? Where ? When "in the 1st Century" ?

I gave you the link. Investigate it further. It's been known for years, but every time it is shown to the naysayers, you pretend it doesn't even exist.

It exists.

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Investigate it further.

Ok. I read the article. Did you? No good evidence for any first century town/city. Just a possibility of a first century dwelling.

"It's been known for years,"

Yep...7 years. Let's ignore all the previous centuries of investigation, and base our opinion on one cheap, crappy article. After all, who don't need da tourists? Like da fat stupid Jeebus lovin Merican ones? Dem with da big grins, the big arses, and da big purses. Let's build a fuckin maccas in nazreth!
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14-07-2016, 05:26 AM
RE: Contemporary Accounts of Jesus
(13-07-2016 09:36 PM)GoingUp Wrote:  I gave you the link. Investigate it further. It's been known for years, but every time it is shown to the naysayers, you pretend it doesn't even exist.

It exists.

" Until now a number of tombs from the time of Jesus were found in Nazareth; however, no settlement remains have been discovered that are attributed to this period”.

A graveyard keeper's dwelling (ONE) is not a "town".
You have no evidence.
You *claiming* something is no evidence.

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