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02-03-2017, 10:44 PM
RE: Contraception?
(02-03-2017 10:09 PM)ProudCatholic Wrote:  Why do people support contraception?

It seems somewhat disordered. I should think women would wish to have more and more babies, and look upon each one as a "blessing" instead of some burden to be prevented or otherwise chopped up and thrown out.

I am somewhat grieved that there is no anti contraception movement in the world, similar to an anti abortion movement. If I had my way contraceptive devices wold be treated like drugs! GET EM OUT OF HERE!

Hopefully with Our Lady's intercession, Donald Trump has become president of the United states. Maybe he will do something about the contraception epidemic.

What are your views about contraception?


Hey cunt! Stop spamming the forum with new threads that you never respond to.

Fucking dipshit.

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02-03-2017, 11:05 PM
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Cheesus Christ, this calls for immediate grating.

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02-03-2017, 11:06 PM
RE: Contraception?
(02-03-2017 10:09 PM)ProudCatholic Wrote:  What are your views about contraception?

I wish your parents would have used a condom.

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02-03-2017, 11:07 PM
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Also, for the record, Proud Catholic can be as anti-contraception as he wants; just as soon as he's suffered through 9 months of pregnancy and 18 years of supporting a child as a single mother living at or below the poverty line. Drinking Beverage

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02-03-2017, 11:08 PM
RE: Contraception?
(02-03-2017 11:06 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(02-03-2017 10:09 PM)ProudCatholic Wrote:  What are your views about contraception?

I wish your parents would have used a condom.

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02-03-2017, 11:08 PM
RE: Contraception?
(02-03-2017 10:09 PM)ProudCatholic Wrote:  Why do people support contraception?

It seems somewhat disordered. I should think women would wish to have more and more babies, and look upon each one as a "blessing" instead of some burden to be prevented or otherwise chopped up and thrown out.

I am somewhat grieved that there is no anti contraception movement in the world, similar to an anti abortion movement. If I had my way contraceptive devices wold be treated like drugs! GET EM OUT OF HERE!

Hopefully with Our Lady's intercession, Donald Trump has become president of the United states. Maybe he will do something about the contraception epidemic.

What are your views about contraception?

I'm sorry... I generally try to give people the benefit of the doubt. But in your case... Why the fuck are you still here? You do not wish to have a rational discussion about anything that you post. You start threads but then very rarely respond once the thread is created. If you even believe half of the things that you post then I truly feel sorry for you. You have joined an Atheist forum and do not wish to have a rational conversation with someone that doesn't believe exactly as you do. I'm pretty sure there are many Catholic forums that you could join where you could stroke your ego.

I'm sure you haven't noticed since the blinders are on your head pretty tight but Atheist are generally some of the most accepting of all people. We exchange ideas without the burden of an invisible friend and base what we know on facts. You exemplify exactly why some of us despise religion.

If being an ambassador for your belief and religion was your goal... you have failed miserably. And to be honest... I'll be glad when you're no longer allowed to post here.

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02-03-2017, 11:15 PM
RE: Contraception?
(02-03-2017 11:07 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Also, for the record, Proud Catholic can be as anti-contraception as he wants; just as soon as he's suffered through 9 months of pregnancy and 18 years of supporting a child as a single mother living at or below the poverty line. Drinking Beverage


Ha! If I were a woman Id be smart about it! Id be honestly wed before I engaged in any funny business and be sure to be with a man who would stick around and make plenty of money Wink

I certinaly wouldn't be some dumb, trashy slut who hopped into bed with the first man who gave her a lewd look!
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02-03-2017, 11:22 PM
RE: Contraception?
(02-03-2017 10:09 PM)ProudCatholic Wrote:  Why do people support contraception?

It seems somewhat disordered. I should think women would wish to have more and more babies, and look upon each one as a "blessing" instead of some burden to be prevented or otherwise chopped up and thrown out.

I am somewhat grieved that there is no anti contraception movement in the world, similar to an anti abortion movement. If I had my way contraceptive devices wold be treated like drugs! GET EM OUT OF HERE!

Hopefully with Our Lady's intercession, Donald Trump has become president of the United states. Maybe he will do something about the contraception epidemic.

What are your views about contraception?

You really are an idiot dolt.
You do know of course, that the Pontifical Commission in the 1960's recommended that the RC Church change it's position on contraception.

Please start some more fool threads. You be banned in a jiffy.

You said you were interested in exchanging views. You're a liar. You only came here to preach.

The majority of women in the Roman Catholic Church, (by their own theology .. the "Mystical Body of Christ"), of child-bearing age, use some form of birth control. Thus, the "real church", (NOT the hierarchy), does approve of, and uses, birth control.

The unspoken, fallacious assumption/premise, is that the hierarchy is the church.

While we're disposing of unspoken fallacious premises, let's stop for a moment, and rid ourselves of one more. A term often used in the debate, is "artificial birth control". The definition of "artificial" is debated, but the use of hormones is never challenged, in other contexts. Ingesting hormones for any other purpose is not deemed "artificial", or challenged in any way. Nor is the taking of drugs by men to "artificially" alter their sexual performance, challenged in any way by the male Roman hierarchy, nor has it been an issue in the current debates. Nope. It's just about old men, controlling young women, and their bodies. Kinda creepy, actually.

The foundations of Roman Philosophy and Theology have been rocked by Science, and a large crack in the Aristotelian/Thomistic concept of "Natural Law" has been exposed, in the gay marriage debate, as we came to understand that same-sex interactions were not "unnatural", but indeed the norm, in all of nature. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/200...6122106.ht Another serious challenge has been posed by the advances in Physics, and Quantum Mechanics to the Thomistic argument of First Cause, by the realization that at a Singularity, time, (actually spacetime, as proven by Einstein), comes to a stop, (or does not exist prior), and ceases to exist, thus saying "before the Big Bang" is a meaningless phrase, and "creation", or "creative act" also requires the dimension of time, a priori, thus is meaningless. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo The Physicists are laughing at the Theologians. They may or may not know it yet.

There is also a completely artificial semantic game played by the Roman Church in it's creation of a "distinction without a difference" with birth control, when they say that "Natural Family Planning" is acceptable, as moral, even while maintaining, in their own Moral Theology, that the ultimate determining factor in a moral choice, is "intention". The "intent", no matter how it's done, by definition, of "Family Planning", is to MAKE A PLAN..an intentional act to prevent a pregnancy, which can include a whole series of intentional acts, (temperature taking, abstaining on certain days, even going to classes, etc etc,). Apparently they have a REALLY dumb god, who is unaware of their intentions.

The Pontifical Commission, set up by Pope John XXXIII, inside the Roman Curia, was given the job, back in the 1960's, to determine the impact of "artificial" birth control on the Roman Church. The disagreements within the commission ultimately led to the publication of the Papal Encyclical, Humanae Vitae, by Paul VI.

When birth control finally arrived, and gave women control over their reproductive systems, with the first oral contraceptives in 1960, dissenters in the Church argued for a reconsideration of the Church positions, on the subject and, in 1963 Pope John XXIII established the above commission, consisting of six European non-theologians to study questions of birth control and populations. After he died in 1963, Pope Paul VI added theologians to the commission and expanded it to 72 members from five continents (including 16 theologians, 13 physicians and five women without medical credentials, with an executive committee of 16 bishops, including seven cardinals).

The commission produced a report in 1966, proposing that ("artificial") birth control was not intrinsically evil and that Catholic couples should be allowed to decide for themselves about, or if, they wished to employ (any) method of birth control. According to the majority report, the use of contraceptives should be regarded as an extension of the already accepted cycle method:

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The acceptance of a lawful application of the calculated sterile periods of the woman--that the application is legitimate presupposes right motives--makes a separation between the sexual act which is explicitly intended and its reproductive effect which is intentionally excluded. The tradition has always rejected seeking this separation with a contraceptive intention for motives spoiled by egoism and hedonism, and such seeking can never be admitted. The true opposition is not to be sought between some material conformity to the physiological processes of nature and some artificial intervention. For it is natural to man to use his skill in order to put under human control what is given by physical nature. The opposition is really to be sought between one way of acting which is contraceptive and opposed to a prudent and generous fruitfulness, and another way which is, in an ordered relationship to responsible fruitfulness and which has a concern for education and all the essential, human and Christian values.

Paul VI chose to reject the Majority Report, and issued Humanae Vitae, (and disregard the opinions of his OWN eminent theologians and experts), inexplicably.

There is evidence in the Vatican archives, and elsewhere, that Pope JohnPaul I, during his brief reign, was about to reverse the ban, or at the very least, downgrade it to a non-serious matter, and indeed the night before his death, (murder), the papers doing so were seen lying on his desk, in the "appartamento pontifico", in the Apostolic Palace, and have since disappeared, and never been found. The fact that the events observed by the Benedictine nuns in the Papal household, during the evening hours the night before, and during the night of the murder, were sealed forever, and lost to history, by the insistence of the Cardinal Camerlengo, (the Cardinal who stands in for the Pope after his death, during the "sede vacante"..the period of the "empty chair" http://www.csun.edu/~hcfll004/SV1978.html ), Jean Cardinal Villot .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Marie_Villot.....

(...who indeed was fired the day before the murder, from his position as Secretary of State, along with his co-conspirator, Sebastiano Cardinal Baggio, ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastiano_Baggio ), who also was removed from office the day before the murder, and when told he was reassigned to the vacant seat in Venice, (the seat Luciani (JPI) had held), to become the Patriarch of Venice, had simply flatly refused, and said "no I won't go"...to the Pope !!!, (the same Pope who was held in such condescending contempt (as "that hick from Venice", by the inner Patrician power circle in the Vatican). He along with Villot, was involved with the American Bishop, Paul Marcinkus, (The President of the Vatican Bank http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Marcinkus, who for many months, evaded arrest by Italian authorities, by making sure he did not set foot outside of Vatican City), in drug dealing, and other questionable financial deals, which led, ultimately, to the bankruptcy of the Banco Ambrosiano, (in Milan), which was detailed by David Yallop, in his book, "In God's Name", and confirmed by Paul L. Williams in his book "Money, Murder, and the Mafia, ...the Vatican Exposed".

.....that what the nuns had observed during that night concerning Albino Luciani..JPI..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_Paul_I), were to remain forever secret, and that they take a vow of perpetual silence concerning their observations, leads one to believe that the reversal of the ban on birth control was seen by the right wing in the Vatican to be of such huge importance to the Roman Curia, that they could not accept the changes, and saw the immanent threat, for what it was. Since he had so upset the apple cart in only one month of service as Pontiff, (refusing coronation, receiving the Socialist/Communist politicians from South America), they saw him as a very serious threat. They simply got rid of him.

Thus, the fact is, if the murder had not happened, the Roman bishops today, would not be "teaching" what they are "teaching". and in fact, would be defending precisely the opposite position, and using the arguments of their own theologians to argue precisely the opposite position, because the duly elected Pope had made the (supposedly "divinely" directed) decision to "teach" precisely the OPPOSITE position. Of course this also raises the question whether God intended the murder to happen, and would be seen as His will, thus raising the whole question of "free will" but we'll leave that can of worms for another time, except to say, that science has now proven, by MRI, (Magnetic Resonance technology), that decisions are made before humans are conscious of the decision, thus "free will" is yet another large crack in the foundation.

There are also other recent developments, which you may have seen this past week on CNN, with respect to this scandal. The Italian Mafia had deposited large sums of money in the Banco Ambrosiano, and blamed the mismanagement by the Vatican for the loss of over 200 million dollars. As revenge, for the loss, they most likely were responsible for the disappearance, and murder of Emanuela Orlandi, the daughter of a Vatican official, and recent developments have led officals to question whether her bones are in, or near, the grave of Enrico De Pedis. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/14...14102.html , and the investigation of that matter is ongoing.

(For other fun, and humorous facts you more than likely don't know about the Pope see : http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatica...ican39.htm

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02-03-2017, 11:23 PM
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I support Jesus' right to grate cheese.

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02-03-2017, 11:23 PM
RE: Contraception?
(02-03-2017 11:15 PM)ProudCatholic Wrote:  
(02-03-2017 11:07 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Also, for the record, Proud Catholic can be as anti-contraception as he wants; just as soon as he's suffered through 9 months of pregnancy and 18 years of supporting a child as a single mother living at or below the poverty line. Drinking Beverage


Ha! If I were a woman Id be smart about it! Id be honestly wed before I engaged in any funny business and be sure to be with a man who would stick around and make plenty of money Wink

I certinaly wouldn't be some dumb, trashy slut who hopped into bed with the first man who gave her a lewd look!


Yep, you can go fuck yourself hard.

Promiscuous men can fuck around, no problem. Hell, they can even rape little boys and girls without much blowback.

But as soon as a woman, heaven forbid, tries to enjoy sex? And doesn't want to be a brood mare for the Church? She's a whore. A slut. Even if she was raped into being pregnant, it's still her fault.

Take your child pedophilia supporting double standard bullshit and shove it right up your ass, you cock sucking piece of human garbage.

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