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25-11-2013, 01:32 PM
RE: Corporal Punishment
How can you punish someone if they are not a Corporal? What if they are a Private or Sergeant?

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25-11-2013, 02:22 PM
RE: Corporal Punishment
I agree with the point, however, as is often the case, Michael Moore has a very selective memory. Naturally, Norway _DOES_ have heavily guarded traditional prisons with big walls, barbed wire and guns, such as Skien Prison, where Anders Breivik was sent. Only prisoners that are deemed to not be a threat are allowed in the low security prisons. It's frustrating because there is a very valid point to make, and Norway's system of education, rehabilitation and empowerment does work very well, but when Moore misleads the viewer into thinking that ALL murderers in Norway are treated like that, it distracts from an otherwise good message.

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25-11-2013, 02:37 PM
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(25-11-2013 02:22 PM)frankksj Wrote:  I agree with the point, however, as is often the case, Michael Moore has a very selective memory. Naturally, Norway _DOES_ have heavily guarded traditional prisons with big walls, barbed wire and guns, such as Skien Prison, where Anders Breivik was sent. Only prisoners that are deemed to not be a threat are allowed in the low security prisons. It's frustrating because there is a very valid point to make, and Norway's system of education, rehabilitation and empowerment does work very well, but when Moore misleads the viewer into thinking that ALL murderers in Norway are treated like that, it distracts from an otherwise good message.

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There are some people that just do not wish to interact with the rest of society despite the best efforts of all around them. I think Norway is a good model, like you said they still have a few traditional prisons but their focus on fixing the problem instead of punishment might prove to be the best way. Micheal Moore is occasionally right sometimes wrong but nearly always pompous and unnecessarily divisive. He is no different from the right wing shock jocks that fit the world to their views not the other way around.

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25-11-2013, 02:55 PM
RE: Corporal Punishment
(25-11-2013 02:22 PM)frankksj Wrote:  I agree with the point, however, as is often the case, Michael Moore has a very selective memory. Naturally, Norway _DOES_ have heavily guarded traditional prisons with big walls, barbed wire and guns, such as Skien Prison, where Anders Breivik was sent. Only prisoners that are deemed to not be a threat are allowed in the low security prisons. It's frustrating because there is a very valid point to make, and Norway's system of education, rehabilitation and empowerment does work very well, but when Moore misleads the viewer into thinking that ALL murderers in Norway are treated like that, it distracts from an otherwise good message.

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I don't think anybody is naive enough to think that everybody can be rehabilitated, and goes without saying that not everybody gets to be in a prison like in the video.
Don't get stuck on how MM delivers the message , points are still valid and facts speak for themselves.
Skien prison is still a long way from American prisons and it holds only 80 prisoners according to link you provided.

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25-11-2013, 07:36 PM
RE: Corporal Punishment
(25-11-2013 10:48 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(25-11-2013 08:56 AM)Likos02 Wrote:  How do you plan on fixing violent criminals without harsh punishment? Prison time is NOT a harsh punishment...it's free medical care, free food, and a free hot bed.

Also, please tell me, do you think a murderer cares about Human dignity while killing their victims? You are not going to fix anything by basically putting them in the adult version of time out.

Norway has the worlds "softest" prison system and the lowest rate of re-incarceration. So rehabilitation is much preferable to barbarity it is cheaper when considering the fact that once these guys have finished their sentence they move on to have productive lives. Harsh Punishments DO NOT WORK rehabilitation does.

Oh yeah?

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25-11-2013, 08:26 PM
RE: Corporal Punishment
My final say on corporal punishment is if they're into it fine. Remember kids SSC.
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25-11-2013, 09:03 PM
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(25-11-2013 10:48 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(25-11-2013 08:56 AM)Likos02 Wrote:  How do you plan on fixing violent criminals without harsh punishment? Prison time is NOT a harsh punishment...it's free medical care, free food, and a free hot bed.

Also, please tell me, do you think a murderer cares about Human dignity while killing their victims? You are not going to fix anything by basically putting them in the adult version of time out.

Norway has the worlds "softest" prison system and the lowest rate of re-incarceration. So rehabilitation is much preferable to barbarity it is cheaper when considering the fact that once these guys have finished their sentence they move on to have productive lives. Harsh Punishments DO NOT WORK rehabilitation does.

Agreed. Those Scandinavian countries understand things such as crime far better. Clearly, socialism works.
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25-11-2013, 09:25 PM
RE: Corporal Punishment
(25-11-2013 09:03 PM)Flowergurl Wrote:  
(25-11-2013 10:48 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Norway has the worlds "softest" prison system and the lowest rate of re-incarceration. So rehabilitation is much preferable to barbarity it is cheaper when considering the fact that once these guys have finished their sentence they move on to have productive lives. Harsh Punishments DO NOT WORK rehabilitation does.

Agreed. Those Scandinavian countries understand things such as crime far better. Clearly, socialism works.

American system makes sense, everyone hates you, your locked up for the maximum amount possible, 300 years jail or plead guilty and do 5 years,
times up, get out as long as you at least pretend to love Jesus, and by the way society hates you still, so see you back here in 6 months.

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26-11-2013, 09:45 AM
RE: Corporal Punishment
Why is everyone so hung up on Prison? This is not about prison this is about corporal punishment...I'll agree scandinavian countries know their people the best and have tailored their system to their people however their CULTURE is 180 degrees different from American Entitlement. People in America do not behave in the same way, nor do they think in the same way. This is why the punishment NEEDS to be tailored to the individual.

Certain people respond to different stressors. Some people will be deterred from crime because of harsh punishments some people will be deterred from crimes by rehabilitation...but stop making blanket statements! Not everyone responds to things the same way, rehabilitation has been proven to NOT WORK on certain types of criminals because of their sociopathic behaviors. http://www.sociopathworld.com/p/portrait...opath.html

So again, how do you plan on fixing violent criminals without a harsh punishment to deter sociopaths?

You also failed to answer the question of "Do you think a murderer cares about human dignity while killing their victims?"

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26-11-2013, 09:54 AM
RE: Corporal Punishment
(25-11-2013 09:03 PM)Flowergurl Wrote:  
(25-11-2013 10:48 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Norway has the worlds "softest" prison system and the lowest rate of re-incarceration. So rehabilitation is much preferable to barbarity it is cheaper when considering the fact that once these guys have finished their sentence they move on to have productive lives. Harsh Punishments DO NOT WORK rehabilitation does.

Agreed. Those Scandinavian countries understand things such as crime far better. Clearly, socialism works.

They understand their levels of crime because their societies are small and homogeneous. If Scandinavian corrections officials came to the US to try and fix the American system, they would run away screaming.
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