Corruption in American Politics
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11-01-2016, 06:00 AM
RE: Corruption in American Politics
(11-01-2016 05:52 AM)Banjo Wrote:  Why only focus on US politics? It is the nature of politics to be driven by corruption.


For one, it's at the helm of a military industrial complex large enough to exceed the next 10 largest competitors.

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11-01-2016, 06:31 AM
RE: Corruption in American Politics
(11-01-2016 06:00 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(11-01-2016 05:52 AM)Banjo Wrote:  Why only focus on US politics? It is the nature of politics to be driven by corruption.


For one, it's at the helm of a military industrial complex large enough to exceed the next 10 largest competitors.


That is not the correct quote. It was supposed to be "military congressional complex".

Oh and I agree. The US is the world's most dangerous rogue state and offers the greatest dangers to the earth's survival.

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11-01-2016, 10:25 AM
RE: Corruption in American Politics
(10-01-2016 02:44 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  
(10-01-2016 12:50 PM)bemore Wrote:  Yabut the article/video states that it doesn't matter how people vote. So you want people to use the broken system to fix the broken system?

If enough people were educated about how the system is broken, and enough people were then voted into the system who are educated and motivated to change it, it could happen. Pipe dream, I know...

It's happened plenty of times before even in American history.

Anyone who thinks corruption is bad now, try looking at the late 19th century!

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11-01-2016, 10:28 AM
RE: Corruption in American Politics
(10-01-2016 12:50 PM)bemore Wrote:  
(10-01-2016 12:40 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  This is how the minority powered elite stay in power. Not voting only adds to their power. Really the best way to eliminate Oligarchy is for everyone to vote.

Yabut the article/video states that it doesn't matter how people vote. So you want people to use the broken system to fix the broken system?

It doesn't matter how people vote if they only engage in the last step of the process - occasionally voting for the proffered candidates for high office. Actual political change works bottom-up and takes long-term commitment. It's no less possible now than any other time, but we're all (taken generally) biased to maintain an adequate status quo over risking change. "Mostly good enough but could be a lot better" isn't the rallying cry that "transparently awful" is.

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11-01-2016, 05:01 PM
RE: Corruption in American Politics
(11-01-2016 10:28 AM)cjlr Wrote:  
(10-01-2016 12:50 PM)bemore Wrote:  Yabut the article/video states that it doesn't matter how people vote. So you want people to use the broken system to fix the broken system?

It doesn't matter how people vote if they only engage in the last step of the process - occasionally voting for the proffered candidates for high office. Actual political change works bottom-up and takes long-term commitment. It's no less possible now than any other time, but we're all (taken generally) biased to maintain an adequate status quo over risking change. "Mostly good enough but could be a lot better" isn't the rallying cry that "transparently awful" is.

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11-01-2016, 05:16 PM
RE: Corruption in American Politics
(11-01-2016 06:31 AM)Banjo Wrote:  
(11-01-2016 06:00 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  For one, it's at the helm of a military industrial complex large enough to exceed the next 10 largest competitors.


That is not the correct quote. It was supposed to be "military congressional complex".

That's right. Where else in the world can the Joint Chiefs of Staff all agree that a billion dollar money pit is already years behind schedule and billions over budget and is already obsolete and should just be written off and Congress keeps funding it anyway.

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12-01-2016, 10:33 AM
RE: Corruption in American Politics
(11-01-2016 05:01 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(11-01-2016 10:28 AM)cjlr Wrote:  It doesn't matter how people vote if they only engage in the last step of the process - occasionally voting for the proffered candidates for high office. Actual political change works bottom-up and takes long-term commitment. It's no less possible now than any other time, but we're all (taken generally) biased to maintain an adequate status quo over risking change. "Mostly good enough but could be a lot better" isn't the rallying cry that "transparently awful" is.

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