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14-08-2015, 06:19 PM
Could a world spread social revolution destroy most religion?
Let's take Christianity for example for this. We all know that the majority of the money it takes in that they claim goes to charity does not go to charity but into the wealthy pockets of the few .01% elite of that church and the grand majority of that goes to making more churches and spenind on advertising for their religion and legal stuff so they can insert their religion into government etc.

BUT, the main thing that the church gets its money from is because of the lie they make that the money goes to helping people. We today are on a very steep uphill climb to being able to more easily solve world problems like Homelessness and Starvation.

Once we have a cure for aids, cancer and Ebola. Once we have the ability to turn a desert into fertile land again and make crops survive with very little water, we will have the technology to easily wipe out hunger, homelessness and the main diseases that are pleaguing humanity that the churches profit from.

Churches for thousands of years have not shut up about the homeless, the sick and the poor. But we have the technology to just "print" 3D printed homes onto slabs of stone squares and make hundreds or thousands of these small homes in a single day if money was put toward it.

So what would happen to Religion if a world spread Social revolution were to come together, something the same as the black rights movement or gay rights movement or not owning human beings as slaves etc, via the internet and politics that changed the mind of millions or billions of others that instead of donating to church to get up and actively support projects that would actively wipe these things off our planet?

3D printed homes for people in very poor countries, creating plants donated by a collection of governments around the world that purifies dirty lake,river or stale waters or diverts water from the ocean to lands decimated by decades of drought and de-salts the water for drinking and crop use.

Aids wiped off from Africa and condoms and educational books provided instead of bibles and makeshift churches.

What would happen if the churches could not complain or collect money from people donating because the poor and the sick and homeless do not exist on the scale they do today? Could a religion like Christianity find any way to adapt to a world like that or would they parish?


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14-08-2015, 06:51 PM
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(14-08-2015 06:19 PM)Shadow Fox Wrote:  Let's take Christianity for example for this. We all know that the majority of the money it takes in that they claim goes to charity does not go to charity but into the wealthy pockets of the few .01% elite of that church and the grand majority of that goes to making more churches and spenind on advertising for their religion and legal stuff so they can insert their religion into government etc.

BUT, the main thing that the church gets its money from is because of the lie they make that the money goes to helping people. We today are on a very steep uphill climb to being able to more easily solve world problems like Homelessness and Starvation.

Once we have a cure for aids, cancer and Ebola. Once we have the ability to turn a desert into fertile land again and make crops survive with very little water, we will have the technology to easily wipe out hunger, homelessness and the main diseases that are pleaguing humanity that the churches profit from.

Churches for thousands of years have not shut up about the homeless, the sick and the poor. But we have the technology to just "print" 3D printed homes onto slabs of stone squares and make hundreds or thousands of these small homes in a single day if money was put toward it.

So what would happen to Religion if a world spread Social revolution were to come together, something the same as the black rights movement or gay rights movement or not owning human beings as slaves etc, via the internet and politics that changed the mind of millions or billions of others that instead of donating to church to get up and actively support projects that would actively wipe these things off our planet?

3D printed homes for people in very poor countries, creating plants donated by a collection of governments around the world that purifies dirty lake,river or stale waters or diverts water from the ocean to lands decimated by decades of drought and de-salts the water for drinking and crop use.

Aids wiped off from Africa and condoms and educational books provided instead of bibles and makeshift churches.

What would happen if the churches could not complain or collect money from people donating because the poor and the sick and homeless do not exist on the scale they do today? Could a religion like Christianity find any way to adapt to a world like that or would they parish?

Sorry, but "Could a religion like Christianity find any way to adapt to a world like that or would they parish?" is (unintentionally) hilarious.

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15-08-2015, 12:37 AM
RE: Could a world spread social revolution destroy most religion?
Delusion runs deep. I know that there are several people I know who literally can't imagine their lives without their god. I think that if Vishnu appeared himself and absolutely settled the debate, there would still be christians.

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15-08-2015, 01:08 AM
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Shadow it is nice to see an optimist here.

It is not only xianity sadly. Islam is currently at war with the rest of the world.

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15-08-2015, 01:12 AM
RE: Could a world spread social revolution destroy most religion?
Poverty and sickness could be religion friends so one can assume that without them number of religious people would be lower. But that still left us with indoctrination. Also church would fight tooth and nail for it's money and in some countries at least it have great infulence.

Eradicating poverty would be step in right direction to erase religion, but I think it wouldn't be enough.

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15-08-2015, 01:22 AM
RE: Could a world spread social revolution destroy most religion?
Someone's been exploring the Zeitgeist Movement. Smile

Let's get one thing out of the way first. 3D printing of buildings, while technically feasible, is still a 20-years-in-the-future project. What's more, it will be an EXPENSIVE project. 3d printing of, say, insulation, or wiring, or carpet, is probably going to be a lot more time-consuming than just making the stuff in factories and installing it by hand, and for a huge, expensive, building-sized 3d printer time is going to be money. It's not going to be making mass housing for the poor any time soon.

But you're right on another front: How the church spends its money. Most religions are very, very vulnerable to having daylight shined up their asses. Investigative journalism and even corporate espionage could topple some HUGE players here. Time the revelations right and they could pass the threshold from "isolated incidents" to "a pox on all your houses".

That said, people don't really go to church because they want to give to charity, so I don't think that alone would really bring them down.

Also, if you cured AIDS and all that stuff? Expect religion to steal credit somehow.
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15-08-2015, 04:48 AM
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(15-08-2015 01:22 AM)Reltzik Wrote:  ...
Also, if you cured AIDS and all that stuff? Expect religion to steal credit somehow.

Somehow? That's an easy one...

"God giveth and God taketh away."

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15-08-2015, 05:51 AM
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We're in the midst of a revolution that's affecting religion in profound ways ever since the internet became ubiquitous.
Religion will slowly fade, but us silly primates like believing in stupid things for stupid reasons, that won't change.

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15-08-2015, 06:00 AM
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(14-08-2015 06:19 PM)Shadow Fox Wrote:  3D printed homes for people in very poor countries, creating plants donated by a collection of governments around the world that purifies dirty lake,river or stale waters or diverts water from the ocean to lands decimated by decades of drought and de-salts the water for drinking and crop use.

And whose going to pay for that?

Are folks gonna donate more to charity?

Are they just gonna agree to their taxes being raised a great deal to cover these cost? In this case, not even for their own country, but for other countries?

Why not just get all the atheists that make over 70K a year, donate everything over 70K to these humanitarian causes? That would one up whatever religious folks give to charity.

Dawkins, Harris, and company likely draw a few million a year. Wouldn't they be such beacons of light if they settled for a modest middle class life, and donated their wealth to the poor?
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15-08-2015, 06:06 AM
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(15-08-2015 06:00 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(14-08-2015 06:19 PM)Shadow Fox Wrote:  3D printed homes for people in very poor countries, creating plants donated by a collection of governments around the world that purifies dirty lake,river or stale waters or diverts water from the ocean to lands decimated by decades of drought and de-salts the water for drinking and crop use.

And whose going to pay for that?

All of us, through taxation.

Quote:Are folks gonna donate more to charity?

Probably not, but without religious donations that rarely get used for charitable purposes, the effects of charitable giving would be greater.

Quote:Are they just gonna agree to their taxes being raised a great deal to cover these cost? In this case, not even for their own country, but for other countries?

It already happens; it's called "foreign aid".

Quote:Why not just get all the atheists that make over 70K a year, donate everything over 70K to these humanitarian causes? That would one up whatever religious folks give to charity.

Why not have those smarmy evangelists quit using those tax-free donations for their personal gain? Why not have the Vatican divest and use the wealth to actually help people?

Quote:Dawkins, Harris, and company likely draw a few million a year. Wouldn't they be such beacons of light if they settled for a modest middle class life, and donated their wealth to the poor?

Yes, they would. It is their ideas that have an effect, not their money.

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