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24-04-2014, 03:02 PM
Coward Fence Sitters, Make a Choice
I'm not really talking about agnostics. if they're true to the definition, I count their belief as a choice.

but for all of the ass kissers who sit on the fence are like "oh I just accept everyones beliefs because both atheism and theism are silly. you cannot be either one 100%"

really?! That sort of rational is like saying "I don't think hard enough to make a decision with the superfluous amount of information supplied on the internet and in libraries.

I'm not just talking about people who are in transition. I'm talking about intentional fence sitters. I call them cowards. they should start a new belief system called cowardism.

I'm just pissed off because someone like that decided to get in the middle of a atheist vs theist debate and in the end basically just gave a "we should just accept and understand everyone's belief. I'm not a theist or an atheist but we should just accept others beliefs. " ugh! I have more respect for Ken Ham.

As if to say that critizism and evaluation of beliefs is a non issue!

what do you think?

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24-04-2014, 03:19 PM
RE: Coward Fence Sitters, Make a Choice
They're lazy, too. I'm furious at those who seek social peace and choose to ignore the problems. Fighting is good if you care for society, and people in general, because fighting and arguing opposes ideas and challenges them to the truth. That's how solutions are brought to light and just saying "let's all be friends" is like putting everyone in a goddamn zoo.
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24-04-2014, 03:24 PM
RE: Coward Fence Sitters, Make a Choice
(24-04-2014 03:02 PM)elconquistador Wrote:  I'm not really talking about agnostics. if they're true to the definition, I count their belief as a choice.

but for all of the ass kissers who sit on the fence are like "oh I just accept everyones beliefs because both atheism and theism are silly. you cannot be either one 100%"

really?! That sort of rational is like saying "I don't think hard enough to make a decision with the superfluous amount of information supplied on the internet and in libraries.

I'm not just talking about people who are in transition. I'm talking about intentional fence sitters. I call them cowards. they should start a new belief system called cowardism.

I'm just pissed off because someone like that decided to get in the middle of a atheist vs theist debate and in the end basically just gave a "we should just accept and understand everyone's belief. I'm not a theist or an atheist but we should just accept others beliefs. " ugh! I have more respect for Ken Ham.

As if to say that critizism and evaluation of beliefs is a non issue!

what do you think?

While I agree they should make a choice. I think calling them cowardly fence sitters isnt going to inspire them to "join your side"
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24-04-2014, 03:37 PM
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I think you're well on your way to be the next Christopher Hitchens.

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24-04-2014, 03:52 PM
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I dunno that that's a fair judgement.

Just 'cause golden mean and false equivalence are fallacious, doesn't mean one can't actually believe so. Still worth calling out, obviously. But "cowardice" is going pretty damn far.

Is this prompted by any specific exchange?

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24-04-2014, 04:07 PM
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I'm a fucking nihilistic, existentialistic, realistic, evidentialistic, agnostic atheist.
I'm not a bench sitter, I'm more like an rejectional agnostic. I believe that there may be a god, but it's definitely more logical than any human religion, and all religions display the god/gods/goddess/goddesses wrong, and most of the stories are false. There's no divine, magic, or holy force.
So yeah, I am an agnostic who believes there may be a supreme being, but it's not the ones or one from any human religion.

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24-04-2014, 04:08 PM
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Hitchens may have been a bulldog, But he was an intelligent bulldog with class.
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24-04-2014, 05:17 PM
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(24-04-2014 03:02 PM)elconquistador Wrote:  but for all of the ass kissers who sit on the fence are like "oh I just accept everyones beliefs because both atheism and theism are silly. you cannot be either one 100%"

It sounds to me like someone is trying to re-frame the disagreement from one of theism vs atheism to one where everyone falls into various places on an agnostic spectrum ranging from mostly believe to mostly don't believe.

The problem I have with that is that people don't behave in ways consistent with that description. I'd love it if everyone did. The world would be much better if the most devout Muslims submitted themselves willingly to the dictates of Sharia law (because they believe strongly) while being scrupulous to not impose them on non-believers (because they are agnostic) and fervent believer Christians worried about living their own lives in strict accordance to their beliefs while also celebrating the marriage of the gay couple next door because those people have a different belief about homosexuality and sin.

The fence sitting becomes a problem when those people take no stand but believers allow their beliefs to intrude on how other people get to live their lives (opposing gay marriage, trying to shame people with hell and sin, imposing punishments for religious offenses like adultery, etc).
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24-04-2014, 05:41 PM
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(24-04-2014 03:24 PM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  
(24-04-2014 03:02 PM)elconquistador Wrote:  I'm not really talking about agnostics. if they're true to the definition, I count their belief as a choice.

but for all of the ass kissers who sit on the fence are like "oh I just accept everyones beliefs because both atheism and theism are silly. you cannot be either one 100%"

really?! That sort of rational is like saying "I don't think hard enough to make a decision with the superfluous amount of information supplied on the internet and in libraries.

I'm not just talking about people who are in transition. I'm talking about intentional fence sitters. I call them cowards. they should start a new belief system called cowardism.

I'm just pissed off because someone like that decided to get in the middle of a atheist vs theist debate and in the end basically just gave a "we should just accept and understand everyone's belief. I'm not a theist or an atheist but we should just accept others beliefs. " ugh! I have more respect for Ken Ham.

As if to say that critizism and evaluation of beliefs is a non issue!

what do you think?

While I agree they should make a choice. I think calling them cowardly fence sitters isnt going to inspire them to "join your side"

I didn't say that to them directly. I only mentioned that sentiment here. I use this place to rant. I'm transitioning from Mormonism so I get pissed off a bit easy. I'm trapped in religilous land.

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24-04-2014, 05:42 PM
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(24-04-2014 03:37 PM)John Wrote:  I think you're well on your way to be the next Christopher Hitchens.

That has got to be one of the coolest things some one has ever told me. I have a lot to learn. I'm an infant compared to the Hitch-master.

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