Creation contrdictions
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23-04-2013, 12:50 PM
RE: Creation contrdictions
All this quibbling about Genesis and its contradictions. Don't get caught up in it. It's not worth the trouble, and those who hold it to be literally true will contort themselves a thousand ways before they will admit the obvious contradictions.

Far better to point to the inherent logical flaws:

The separation of light (day) and darkness (night) as distinguished from the creation of the sun and the moon, which came later. WTF?
The whole concept of a firmament, and the fixing of the sun, moon and stars IN the firmament (as opposed to way, way, way, WAY waywaywaywayway outside it).

It's horsepucky on its face, and does not deserve to be taken seriously as history or science.
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24-04-2013, 11:09 AM
RE: Creation contrdictions
(23-04-2013 09:58 AM)ChuckTesta Wrote:  Genesis 2:4-9 Trees came after Adam.

Quote:And the LORD God planted a garden in Eden, in the east, and there he put the man whom he had formed. And out of the ground the LORD God made to spring up every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
(Genesis 2:8-9 ESV)

It says God made a garden and caused trees to grow in the garden. It doesn't say trees hadn't been created elsewhere.

God's invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made.
Romans 1:20 ESV

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24-04-2013, 11:26 AM
RE: Creation contrdictions
(24-04-2013 11:09 AM)theophilus Wrote:  
(23-04-2013 09:58 AM)ChuckTesta Wrote:  Genesis 2:4-9 Trees came after Adam.

Quote:And the LORD God planted a garden in Eden, in the east, and there he put the man whom he had formed. And out of the ground the LORD God made to spring up every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
(Genesis 2:8-9 ESV)

It says God made a garden and caused trees to grow in the garden. It doesn't say trees hadn't been created elsewhere.

No.

Nice cherry picking. Read the verses before what you put.

Keep in mind, in the Hebrew, it is written as a chronological account in the pluperfect tense.

Genesis 2
4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made earth and heaven.
5 Now no shrub of the field was yet in the earth, and no plant of the field had yet sprouted, for the Lord God had not sent rain upon the earth, and there was no man to cultivate the ground.
6 But a mist used to rise from the earth and water the whole surface of the ground.
7 Then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
8 The Lord God planted a garden toward the east, in Eden; and there He placed the man whom He had formed. 9 Out of the ground the Lord God caused to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

It very plainly says that there were no plants and no man. God created man. God planted a garden. God place the man in the garden.

This is contrary to Genesis 1:

11 Then God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit after their kind with seed in them”; and it was so. 12 The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good. 13 There was evening and there was morning, a third day.

26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” 29 Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; 30 and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food”; and it was so. 31 God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

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24-04-2013, 11:19 PM
RE: Creation contrdictions
Why all the debate on trees when light and dark was separated before the stars were made? Meh.
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25-04-2013, 11:20 AM
RE: Creation contrdictions
(24-04-2013 11:26 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  Keep in mind, in the Hebrew, it is written as a chronological account in the pluperfect tense.

Genesis 2
4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made earth and heaven.
This is the end of the account of the creation of the world. The next verse begins a detailed account of the creation of man on the sixth day.

Quote:5 Now no shrub of the field was yet in the earth, and no plant of the field had yet sprouted, for the Lord God had not sent rain upon the earth, and there was no man to cultivate the ground.
This doesn't say that no plants had been created, only that the ones that needed to be cultivated.

(24-04-2013 11:19 PM)Atheist in Westeros Wrote:  Why all the debate on trees when light and dark was separated before the stars were made? Meh.
The sun, moon, and stars already existed before the first day. There was simply some obstacle that kept their light from reaching the earth. On the first day that obstacle weakened enough so that light could reach the earth but still kept the sun and stars from being seen. On the fourth day it was completely removed.

Quote:And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth.” And it was so.
(Genesis 1:14-15 ESV)

It doesn't say God created the sun and moon, only that he placed lights in the sky.

Perhaps this will help clarify what the Bible actually says about creation:

http://clydeherrin.wordpress.com/2012/03...lly-say-2/

God's invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made.
Romans 1:20 ESV

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