Creationism in Texan Public Schools
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30-01-2013, 06:32 AM
Creationism in Texan Public Schools



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30-01-2013, 08:14 AM
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This is so alarming. Perhaps we should just let Texas secede from the nation and let all the Talibangelicals move there. It would begin looking like Afghanistan in no time. The only skills these kids are going to have is to work at Walmart.

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30-01-2013, 08:47 AM
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yay, Weeping if only we could cure madness

When you are courting a nice girl an hour seems like a second. When you sit on a red-hot cinder a second seems like an hour. That's relativity.

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30-01-2013, 08:52 AM
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PBS has a show on this: Independent Lens

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30-01-2013, 09:06 AM
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There are several parts of this BBC documentary from 1996, but it all discusses creationism taught in schools in America. They go to Tennessee at one point where they get a "science" teacher and his class "learning" about both. They then let the kids ask questions and you get such gems as this from the very same documentary:






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Is this place still a shithole run by a dumbass calvinist?
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30-01-2013, 09:58 AM
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"The only skills these kids are going to have is to work at Walmart."

Agreed. And what someone believes about the origin of the universe has little of nothing to do with job skills so... there must be something else about these indoctrination camps that isn't working.
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30-01-2013, 10:30 AM
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The whole Walmart joke is clearly hyperbole. Sure, these kids won't know much about science. That doesn't mean they are also not learning math, English, history, or even technical skills like high-school level computer programming, architecture, shop classes, etc.

I don't have high hopes that they will end up being scientists, let's face it, they weren't likely to do that anyway with the whole bible thing hanging over their heads and the fear that asking questions about basic biology or physics would jeopardize their eternal soul. No devout theist is likely to end up in a career as a scientist, not unless they are willing to be much less devout, blending their theism with scientific evidence to create some middle ground where both can coexist.

But these kids have the same chance as anyone else of becoming lawyers, accountants, bankers, politicians, computer programmers, engineers, teachers, whatever, just as long as their career path doesn't require a science background.

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30-01-2013, 10:53 AM
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I grew up in GISD ( Garland School's ) which is right outside of Dallas.. luckily we were not taught any of that non sense in our schools.

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30-01-2013, 10:57 AM
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"That doesn't mean they are also not learning math, English, history, or
even technical skills like high-school level computer programming,
architecture, shop classes, etc."

Judging from the disturbingly high number of high school graduates who have to be trained on how to fill out a simple job application, I'm going to politely disagree with your assessment.
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30-01-2013, 11:03 AM
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(30-01-2013 10:57 AM)bbeljefe Wrote:  "That doesn't mean they are also not learning math, English, history, or
even technical skills like high-school level computer programming,
architecture, shop classes, etc."

Judging from the disturbingly high number of high school graduates who have to be trained on how to fill out a simple job application, I'm going to politely disagree with your assessment.
This is a non sequitur. Those people needing that training failed to learn basic stuff in school, sure, you're totally correct, but that failure had nothing to do with being taught creationism in science class. In fact, most of them did NOT have bible studies in science classes.

Two unrelated problems.

You'll notice in my post I said they would have the same chance at non-science careers as anyone else - this "chance" is based on the quality of the schools and teachers as well as on the intelligence of the students and their willingness to learn and whether or not they have other learning impediments, and also on outside factors like home/family pressures, etc. A lot of things go into whether a person will be able to fill out a job application, but whether they are taught bible studies in science classrooms is not part of that problem.

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