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29-07-2014, 06:47 PM
RE: Crimes of the British Empire
(29-07-2014 06:44 PM)Wicked Clown Wrote:  12 million people were not gassed!

You are right, many of those 12 million were worked to death or died from starvation or abuse.
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29-07-2014, 06:57 PM
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are you speaking of the six million figure of Jews? or are you just speaking in general about those who died in the death camps in ww2?
I'm not sure what the statistics are.
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29-07-2014, 08:43 PM
RE: Crimes of the British Empire
(29-07-2014 06:57 PM)Wicked Clown Wrote:  are you speaking of the six million figure of Jews? or are you just speaking in general about those who died in the death camps in ww2?
I'm not sure what the statistics are.

You seem to see no difference between deaths caused by colonial expansion and genocide.

I'm by no means going to be an apologist for imperialism, but to say the British Empire was worse or more evil than the Third Reich is just wrong.

The difference lies in intent... The British never set out to deliberately exterminate a race of people. The Nazis did.

If you're planning to build an empire, and make subjects of many different peoples, it pays not to engage in activities which will make those people despise you.

The British Empire no longer exists, but the Commonwealth does... Clearly, former colonies wish to maintain close ties with the UK. You'd think if the empire had been nothing but bloodshed and misery, former colonies would want the whole thing to be forgotten.

Imperialism is about greed and dickwaving... Nazism is about hatred. The crimes of National Socialism have the power to shock even today. Deliberately attempting to exterminate a people, in an intentionally cruel, sadistic and degrading manner... The Holocaust is a crime that stands alone in human history as an example of the complete failure of human civilization.

There is literally nothing to celebrate about the Third Reich... Symbolism, literature and relics associated with it are banned in Germany. And artefacts beyond typical militaria are rarely if ever traded outside of underground societies of weirdos. However, 'Boy's Own' magazines and the Biggles books, which often celebrate the British Empire and are by no means shining examples of political correctness, are still popular with collectors. Michael Palin and Terry Jones of Monty Python even produced an affectionate sendup of the former called 'Ripping Yarns'... And both Zulu and Carry On Up The Khyber are still much loved movies.

In the modern era, there was never a regime anything like the Nazis... For their totalitarianism, sheer wickedness, and complete disregard for human life. By comparing British imperialism with Nazism, you demonstrate either a complete ignorance of history, or an inability/unwillingness to draw a distinction between intentional and unintentional deaths. I hope it is simply ignorance, as ignorance can be remedied... But if you really can't see any difference between these two historical entities, then I find that rather troubling.

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29-07-2014, 08:55 PM
RE: Crimes of the British Empire
Thank you uncle Sam. I see the light. I'll write more later. Smile
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02-08-2014, 11:20 AM
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The British felt Superior to others (imho) but certainly didn't have an agenda as evil as the Nazis. At least there is not evidence of that. My basis for saying worse had largely to do with the amount of territory seized and how long the Empire lasted with whatever destruction and wreckage from wars and military conquest it left in it's path.

It would be ridiculous of me to think that the ideology of the British sovereigntys were comparable to that of Hitler. At least there isn't evidence of this. So if that is what my assertions appeared to be implying, I retract those statements.
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05-10-2014, 10:51 PM
Crimes of the British Empire
As if they would have been better off ... Uh the Zulus were running around slaughtering the hottentots of South Africa. Why are atheists all so freaking pc ? It's beginning to irk my nerves....

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06-10-2014, 01:50 AM
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(02-08-2014 11:20 AM)Wicked Clown Wrote:  The British felt Superior to others (imho)

Well of course they did, because they WERE. Just like the Romans were. Just as the United States are now. It always seems to be the victors ambition and naivety that encourages the downfall.

We in Britain have a lot to thank the Romans for even though their quest of imperialism caused a whole shit tonne of evil, just like ours did. I'm sure there are nations that have lots to thank the British Empire for too.

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06-10-2014, 03:50 AM
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(06-10-2014 01:50 AM)SunnyD1 Wrote:  ...
I'm sure there are nations that have lots to thank the British Empire for too.




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06-10-2014, 01:08 PM
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Hahahahaha piss off!

By the way I am anti-imperial and I detest what my country use to be but I just had to point out that if you are making a claim that the British empire were as bad or worse than the nazis then you have to concede that the Third Reich did something moral and just, at least in one nation.. I can't think of any.

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06-10-2014, 02:10 PM
RE: Crimes of the British Empire
(06-10-2014 01:08 PM)SunnyD1 Wrote:  Hahahahaha piss off!

By the way I am anti-imperial and I detest what my country use to be but I just had to point out that if you are making a claim that the British empire were as bad or worse than the nazis then you have to concede that the Third Reich did something moral and just, at least in one nation.. I can't think of any.

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