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28-02-2014, 09:47 PM
Cyanobacteria, our little hero
Cyanobacteria are the prerequisite for complex life forms. They are said to exist already 3,5 bio years, and did not change morphologically. They do oxygenic photosynthesis, where the energy of light is used to split water molecules into oxygen, protons, and electrons. It occurs in two stages. In the first stage, light-dependent reactions or light reactions capture the energy of light and use it to make the energy-storage molecules ATP and NADPH. During the second stage, the light-independent reactions use these products to capture and reduce carbon dioxide.

They have ATP synthase nano-motors. How could ATP synthase “evolve” from something that needs ATP, manufactured by ATP synthase, to function? Absurd “chicken-egg” paradox!

ATP Synthase is a molecular machine found in every living organisms. It serves as a miniature power-generator, producing an energy-carrying molecule, adenosine triphosphate, or ATP. The ATP synthase machine has many parts we recognize from human-designed technology, including a rotor, a stator, a camshaft or driveshaft, and other basic components of a rotary engine. This machine is just the final step in a long and complex metabolic pathway involving numerous enzymes and other molecules—all so the cell can produce ATP to power biochemical reactions, and provide energy for other molecular machines in the cell. Each of the human body’s 14 trillion cells performs this reaction about a million times per minute. Over half a body weight of ATP is made and consumed every day!

A rotary molecular motor that can work at near 100% efficiency.

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2011/1...8.full.pdf

We found that the maximum work performed by F1-ATPase per 120° step is nearly equal to the thermodynamical maximum work that can be extracted from a single ATP hydrolysis under a broad range of conditions. Our results suggested a 100% free-energy transduction efficiency and a tight mechanochemical coupling of F1-ATPase.

http://elshamah.heavenforum.org/t1439-atp-synthase#2204

How could ATP synthase “evolve” from something that needs ATP, manufactured by ATP synthase, to function? Absurd “chicken-egg” paradox! Also, consider that ATP synthase is made by processes that all need ATP—such as the unwinding of the DNA helix with helicase to allow transcription and then translation of the coded information into the proteins that make up ATP synthase. And manufacture of the 100 enzymes/machines needed to achieve this needs ATP! And making the membranes in which ATP synthase sits needs ATP, but without the membranes it would not work. This is a really vicious circle for evolutionists to explain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI8m6o0gXDY

They have aerobic respiration, and anaerobic fermentation which uniquely occur together in these prokaryotic cells. They do photosynthesis through complex Photosystem I and II and other electron transport complexes. They have a carbon concentration mechanism, which increases the concentration of carbon dioxide available to the initial carboxylase of the Calvin cycle, the enzyme RuBisCO, and transcriptional regulation, which is the change in gene expression levels by altering transcription rates. They are capable of performing the process of water-oxidizing photosynthesis by coupling the activity of photosystem II and I, in a chain of events known as the Z-scheme. They metabolize Carbohydrates through the pentose phosphate pathway. They reduce Carbon dioxide to form carbohydrates through the Calvin cycle. Furthermore, they are able to reduce elemental sulfur by anaerobic respiration in the dark.

No nitrogen: no proteins, no enzymes, no life. We need nitrogen in our bodies, to form amino acids and nucleic acids. Cyanobacteria have the greatest contribution to nitrogen fixation. So in the beginning, not only was lack of oxygen a gigantic problem, but the lack of nitrogen was no less so. In order for the anaerobic organisms, whatever they might have been, to generate oxygen in quantity, they simply HAD to have nitrogen in their tissues (as enzymes etc). With nitrogen as unreactive as it is, then how did they fix it? N2 gas is a very stable compound due to the strength of the triple bond between the nitrogen atoms, and it requires a large amount of energy to break this bond. This is one of the hardest chemical bonds of all to break.The whole process requires eight electrons and at least sixteen ATP molecules. The process, nitrogenase, works in a more exact and efficient way than the clumsy chemical processes of human invention. Several atoms of iron and molybdenum are held in an organic lattice to form the active chemical site. With assistance from an energy source (ATP) and a powerful and specific complementary reducing agent (ferredoxin), nitrogen molecules are bound and cleaved with surgical precision. In this way, a ‘molecular sledgehammer’ is applied to the NN bond, and a single nitrogen molecule yields two molecules of ammonia. The ammonia then ascends the ‘food chain’, and is used as amino groups in protein synthesis for plants and animals. This is a very tiny mechanism, but multiplied on a large scale it is of critical importance in allowing plant growth and food production on our planet to continue.

They are able to capture the energy of light with 95% efficiency. Recently it has been discovered, that they accomplish that through sophisticated quantum mechanics – an esoteric aspect of nature that even most scientists don’t understand. The use light harvesting antennas for that !!

They possess a autoregulatory transcriptional feedback mechanism called circadian clock and coordinate their activities such as sleep/wake behavior, body temperature, hormone secretion, and metabolism into daily cycles . This is a intrinsic time-keeping mechanism that controls the daily rhythms of numerous physiological processes. They control the expression of numerous genes, including those that code for the oscillator proteins of the clock itself.Cyanobacterias have 1,054 protein families !!!

In a BBC report , they said : Oxygenic photosynthesis is a very complicated metabolism and it makes sense that the evolution of such a metabolism would take perhaps two billion years.

Feel free to explain how Cyanobacteria got these amazing capabilites, amongst others, in a relatively short evolutionary time scale ?
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28-02-2014, 10:04 PM
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The inability to describe one evolutionary pathway does not discredit the theory.

E Coli bacteria only took 22 years to evolve the ability to metabolize citric acid in an oxygen rich environment. Evolution works exceedingly quick on the microbial level.

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28-02-2014, 10:15 PM (This post was last modified: 01-03-2014 12:45 AM by Bucky Ball.)
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God does not exist just cuz you're too much of a dolt to figure out something.

http://www.life.illinois.edu/crofts/biop...ol_F1.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK26849/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK9841/
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/ev...gins.shtml
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17...xFc94UsoUs
http://howdlifebegan.blogspot.com/2013/0...anism.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqPGOhXoprU

BTW, this is complete bullshit. You don't even know the meaning of this shit you plagiarized.
"Recently it has been discovered, that they accomplish that through sophisticated quantum mechanics – an esoteric aspect of nature that even most scientists don’t understand. The use light harvesting antennas for that !!"

There is no such thing as "sophisticated quantum mechanics". There's only quantum mechanics. You failed to explain what exactly you think is so "sophisticated" about whatever you're saying they do. Since you know nothing about the subject, I know you can't explain it. Any scientist who want to explore QM knows a lot about it. Just more exaggeration, as you NEED to lie, to make your bullshit point.

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28-02-2014, 10:25 PM
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(28-02-2014 10:04 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  The inability to describe one evolutionary pathway does not discredit the theory.

E Coli bacteria only took 22 years to evolve the ability to metabolize citric acid in an oxygen rich environment. Evolution works exceedingly quick on the microbial level.

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Not applicable to the point in question. The point they were trying to make was the origins of ATP, (energy production in ALL cells) not the evolution of a bacteria's ability to metabolize something.
Nice try though. blowjob. Maybe someday you'll be able to play with the big kids.

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28-02-2014, 10:31 PM
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(28-02-2014 09:47 PM)Godexists Wrote:  Cyanobacteria are the prerequisite for complex life forms. They are said to exist already 3,5 bio years, and did not change morphologically. They do oxygenic photosynthesis, where the energy of light is used to split water molecules into oxygen, protons, and electrons. It occurs in two stages. In the first stage, light-dependent reactions or light reactions capture the energy of light and use it to make the energy-storage molecules ATP and NADPH. During the second stage, the light-independent reactions use these products to capture and reduce carbon dioxide.

They have ATP synthase nano-motors. How could ATP synthase “evolve” from something that needs ATP, manufactured by ATP synthase, to function? Absurd “chicken-egg” paradox!

ATP Synthase is a molecular machine found in every living organisms. It serves as a miniature power-generator, producing an energy-carrying molecule, adenosine triphosphate, or ATP. The ATP synthase machine has many parts we recognize from human-designed technology, including a rotor, a stator, a camshaft or driveshaft, and other basic components of a rotary engine. This machine is just the final step in a long and complex metabolic pathway involving numerous enzymes and other molecules—all so the cell can produce ATP to power biochemical reactions, and provide energy for other molecular machines in the cell. Each of the human body’s 14 trillion cells performs this reaction about a million times per minute. Over half a body weight of ATP is made and consumed every day!

A rotary molecular motor that can work at near 100% efficiency.

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2011/1...8.full.pdf

We found that the maximum work performed by F1-ATPase per 120° step is nearly equal to the thermodynamical maximum work that can be extracted from a single ATP hydrolysis under a broad range of conditions. Our results suggested a 100% free-energy transduction efficiency and a tight mechanochemical coupling of F1-ATPase.

http://elshamah.heavenforum.org/t1439-atp-synthase#2204

How could ATP synthase “evolve” from something that needs ATP, manufactured by ATP synthase, to function? Absurd “chicken-egg” paradox! Also, consider that ATP synthase is made by processes that all need ATP—such as the unwinding of the DNA helix with helicase to allow transcription and then translation of the coded information into the proteins that make up ATP synthase. And manufacture of the 100 enzymes/machines needed to achieve this needs ATP! And making the membranes in which ATP synthase sits needs ATP, but without the membranes it would not work. This is a really vicious circle for evolutionists to explain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI8m6o0gXDY

They have aerobic respiration, and anaerobic fermentation which uniquely occur together in these prokaryotic cells. They do photosynthesis through complex Photosystem I and II and other electron transport complexes. They have a carbon concentration mechanism, which increases the concentration of carbon dioxide available to the initial carboxylase of the Calvin cycle, the enzyme RuBisCO, and transcriptional regulation, which is the change in gene expression levels by altering transcription rates. They are capable of performing the process of water-oxidizing photosynthesis by coupling the activity of photosystem II and I, in a chain of events known as the Z-scheme. They metabolize Carbohydrates through the pentose phosphate pathway. They reduce Carbon dioxide to form carbohydrates through the Calvin cycle. Furthermore, they are able to reduce elemental sulfur by anaerobic respiration in the dark.

No nitrogen: no proteins, no enzymes, no life. We need nitrogen in our bodies, to form amino acids and nucleic acids. Cyanobacteria have the greatest contribution to nitrogen fixation. So in the beginning, not only was lack of oxygen a gigantic problem, but the lack of nitrogen was no less so. In order for the anaerobic organisms, whatever they might have been, to generate oxygen in quantity, they simply HAD to have nitrogen in their tissues (as enzymes etc). With nitrogen as unreactive as it is, then how did they fix it? N2 gas is a very stable compound due to the strength of the triple bond between the nitrogen atoms, and it requires a large amount of energy to break this bond. This is one of the hardest chemical bonds of all to break.The whole process requires eight electrons and at least sixteen ATP molecules. The process, nitrogenase, works in a more exact and efficient way than the clumsy chemical processes of human invention. Several atoms of iron and molybdenum are held in an organic lattice to form the active chemical site. With assistance from an energy source (ATP) and a powerful and specific complementary reducing agent (ferredoxin), nitrogen molecules are bound and cleaved with surgical precision. In this way, a ‘molecular sledgehammer’ is applied to the NN bond, and a single nitrogen molecule yields two molecules of ammonia. The ammonia then ascends the ‘food chain’, and is used as amino groups in protein synthesis for plants and animals. This is a very tiny mechanism, but multiplied on a large scale it is of critical importance in allowing plant growth and food production on our planet to continue.

They are able to capture the energy of light with 95% efficiency. Recently it has been discovered, that they accomplish that through sophisticated quantum mechanics – an esoteric aspect of nature that even most scientists don’t understand. The use light harvesting antennas for that !!

They possess a autoregulatory transcriptional feedback mechanism called circadian clock and coordinate their activities such as sleep/wake behavior, body temperature, hormone secretion, and metabolism into daily cycles . This is a intrinsic time-keeping mechanism that controls the daily rhythms of numerous physiological processes. They control the expression of numerous genes, including those that code for the oscillator proteins of the clock itself.Cyanobacterias have 1,054 protein families !!!

In a BBC report , they said : Oxygenic photosynthesis is a very complicated metabolism and it makes sense that the evolution of such a metabolism would take perhaps two billion years.

Feel free to explain how Cyanobacteria got these amazing capabilites, amongst others, in a relatively short evolutionary time scale ?


I assume your hypothesis is "God did it"?

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28-02-2014, 10:32 PM
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My sleep patterns are fucked!

Does that mean that my ancestral cyanobacteria took an evolutionary wrong turn or that it's just me?

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28-02-2014, 11:16 PM
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Why does anyone bother responding to threads like this?

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01-03-2014, 12:39 AM
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(28-02-2014 09:47 PM)Godexists Wrote:  Feel free to explain how Cyanobacteria got these amazing capabilites, amongst others, in a relatively short evolutionary time scale ?

Magnets...or microchips if you prefer.

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01-03-2014, 12:40 AM
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(28-02-2014 11:16 PM)Paranoidsam Wrote:  Why does anyone bother responding to threads like this?

I can understand responding with equally stupid posts, but I don't get why people take it seriously. This is an obvious driveby.

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01-03-2014, 12:47 AM
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(01-03-2014 12:39 AM)toadaly Wrote:  
(28-02-2014 09:47 PM)Godexists Wrote:  Feel free to explain how Cyanobacteria got these amazing capabilites, amongst others, in a relatively short evolutionary time scale ?

Magnets...or microchips if you prefer.

As a Certified Ancient Astronaut Theorist, I can attest to the fact they are the same chips that humans have implanted in their butts.

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