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01-03-2014, 04:24 PM (This post was last modified: 01-03-2014 04:32 PM by rampant.a.i..)
Cyanobacteria, our little hero
(01-03-2014 03:19 PM)Godexists Wrote:  
(01-03-2014 03:08 PM)rampant.a.i. Wrote:  Are you able to respond to any of the other points raised, or are you content demonstrating you don't know what the evolutionary benefits of photosynthesis could be?

Indeed, i don't know what selection pressure there should be for ancient bacterias, that were perfectly fine to live in a anaerobic envyronment, to evolve photosynthesis. You might explain ?

Again, you're not understanding photosynthesis: Gathering light and carbon dioxide to produce carbohydrates. Oxygen is the byproduct of photosynthesis.

"Why would bacteria adapt to thrive in an anaerobic habitat and produce aerobic waste?" Is a nonsensical question.

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01-03-2014, 04:59 PM
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(01-03-2014 04:24 PM)rampant.a.i. Wrote:  "Why would bacteria adapt to thrive in an anaerobic habitat and produce aerobic waste?" Is a nonsensical question.

How about you just admit, you have no clue ??
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01-03-2014, 04:59 PM
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(28-02-2014 09:47 PM)Godexists Wrote:  Cyanobacteria are the prerequisite for complex life forms.
They do oxygenic photosynthesis, where the energy of light is used to split water molecules into oxygen, protons, and electrons.

That's not what happens. There are no "protons" split off in the reaction.
Perhaps you should learn some basic Chemistry and Biology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynthesis

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01-03-2014, 05:02 PM
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(01-03-2014 04:02 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  [quote='Godexists' pid='506807' dateline='1393706501']
feel free to address, what selection pressure your think was there for bacterias to evolve the hability of fotosynthesis, and nitrogenase.


Are we talking about abiogenesis then and how the first cells formed?

Of course not. Cyanobacteria are not the first bacterias in the evolutionary timescale. Aquifex aeolicus are. And it did not do photosynthesis. Cyanobacteria came AFTERWARDS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquifex_aeolicus

http://www.as.utexas.edu/astronomy/educa...4_life.pdf
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01-03-2014, 05:08 PM
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(01-03-2014 04:59 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(28-02-2014 09:47 PM)Godexists Wrote:  Cyanobacteria are the prerequisite for complex life forms.
They do oxygenic photosynthesis, where the energy of light is used to split water molecules into oxygen, protons, and electrons.

That's not what happens. There are no "protons" split off in the reaction.
Perhaps you should learn some basic Chemistry and Biology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynthesis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_evolution

Photosynthetic oxygen evolution is the fundamental process by which breathable oxygen is generated in earth's biosphere. The reaction is part of the light-dependent reactions of photosynthesis in cyanobacteria and the chloroplasts of green algae and plants. It utilizes the energy of light to split a water molecule into its protons and electrons for photosynthesis.

Perhaps you should learn some basic Chemistry and Biology.
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01-03-2014, 05:12 PM
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(01-03-2014 05:08 PM)Godexists Wrote:  
(01-03-2014 04:59 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  That's not what happens. There are no "protons" split off in the reaction.
Perhaps you should learn some basic Chemistry and Biology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynthesis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_evolution

Photosynthetic oxygen evolution is the fundamental process by which breathable oxygen is generated in earth's biosphere. The reaction is part of the light-dependent reactions of photosynthesis in cyanobacteria and the chloroplasts of green algae and plants. It utilizes the energy of light to split a water molecule into its protons and electrons for photosynthesis.

Perhaps you should learn some basic Chemistry and Biology.

Hydrogen atoms, and hydrogen gas are not "protons".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_atom

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01-03-2014, 05:12 PM
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(01-03-2014 04:04 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(01-03-2014 03:58 PM)Godexists Wrote:  So where did the ancient bacterias get these existing traits get from ?

Traits arise through mutation.

And from what did they mutate ?


(01-03-2014 03:58 PM)Godexists Wrote:  I was not making any critique of your spelling or grammar. I was making the point that you seem to be incredibly ignorant of any and all actual evolutionary theory.

teach me.....

Quote:It's very much my business. You decided to demonstrate your ignorance on this internet forum. All of us here are then completely entitled to respond to it. My response is that you should act to correct your ignorance before asking questions born of it.

I don't want to be rude, but again : you are not entitled to tell me, what i should, what i should not. Live with that.
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01-03-2014, 05:14 PM
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(01-03-2014 05:12 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(01-03-2014 05:08 PM)Godexists Wrote:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_evolution

Photosynthetic oxygen evolution is the fundamental process by which breathable oxygen is generated in earth's biosphere. The reaction is part of the light-dependent reactions of photosynthesis in cyanobacteria and the chloroplasts of green algae and plants. It utilizes the energy of light to split a water molecule into its protons and electrons for photosynthesis.

Perhaps you should learn some basic Chemistry and Biology.

Hydrogen atoms, and hydrogen gas are not "protons".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_atom

maybe you look better whats written :

It utilizes the energy of light to split a water molecule into its protons and electrons for photosynthesis.



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01-03-2014, 05:18 PM (This post was last modified: 01-03-2014 05:27 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Cyanobacteria, our little hero
(01-03-2014 05:14 PM)Godexists Wrote:  
(01-03-2014 05:12 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Hydrogen atoms, and hydrogen gas are not "protons".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_atom

maybe you look better whats written :

It utilizes the energy of light to split a water molecule into its protons and electrons for photosynthesis.



Perhaps you should learn some basic Chemistry and Biology.

I know what's written. That fact that you don't know how hydrogen and hydrogen gas really exist in nature is simply more evidence of your utter ignorance of the subject. Maybe pray, and Jebus can assist you. Copy/pasting, and plagiarizing can only get you so far.
And BTW, why not just cut to the chase. We all know you're going to tell us it just happens to be (suprise suprise) that it's YOUR god that happens to be the one you assert exists, with your argument from ignorance, and "god of the gaps" argument.

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01-03-2014, 05:23 PM
Cyanobacteria, our little hero
(01-03-2014 04:59 PM)Godexists Wrote:  
(01-03-2014 04:24 PM)rampant.a.i. Wrote:  Again, you're not understanding photosynthesis: Gathering light and carbon dioxide to produce carbohydrates. Oxygen is the byproduct of photosynthesis.

"Why would bacteria adapt to thrive in an anaerobic habitat and produce aerobic waste?" Is a nonsensical question.

How about you just admit, you have no clue ??

Which part do you disagree with?

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