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10-06-2016, 02:32 PM
RE: D-Day
(09-06-2016 06:37 PM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 03:06 PM)Minimalist Wrote:  BTW, I agree with you Deese. Japan lost because they had no chance to win. Ever.

If you read the five monograph set titled "Political Strategy Prior to the Outbreak of War" it's clear that most Japanese agreed with that. But they didn't see a way out of the trap the militarists had put them in and there was a fair chance of being assassinated if they even proposed something along those lines.

Sort of ends up being a lemmings heading over a cliff scenario, eh Gawd? But militarism will do that. The old adage 'when the only tool you have is a hammer every problem looks like a nail' comes to mind.

It worries me about our own rampant militarism. We are dangerously close to what Voltaire said about Prussia.

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10-06-2016, 02:53 PM
RE: D-Day
(10-06-2016 02:32 PM)Minimalist Wrote:  
(09-06-2016 06:37 PM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  If you read the five monograph set titled "Political Strategy Prior to the Outbreak of War" it's clear that most Japanese agreed with that. But they didn't see a way out of the trap the militarists had put them in and there was a fair chance of being assassinated if they even proposed something along those lines.

Sort of ends up being a lemmings heading over a cliff scenario, eh Gawd? But militarism will do that. The old adage 'when the only tool you have is a hammer every problem looks like a nail' comes to mind.

It worries me about our own rampant militarism. We are dangerously close to what Voltaire said about Prussia.

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The Japanese gumbatsu were their own government, attacking China in 1931 and again in 1937 and then expanding the war all without let or leave from the government at home. I doubt we'll get that crazy. Or at least hope we won't.
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10-06-2016, 06:34 PM
RE: D-Day
We did not listen to Eisenhower.

Quote: This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

And now it is too late.

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