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21-09-2016, 12:26 PM
RE: Dafuq is this?
(21-09-2016 12:21 PM)Dom Wrote:  The tape doesn't let us hear the commands given by the officers - it does say he is ignoring commands though. If they gave the commands, he ignored them.

I see you haven't had your own "Up against the car motherfucker!" experiences either. A standard command prior to doing a search and frisk is "Put your hands on the car and spread your legs." Having performed that particular action myself a few times, looked to me like that was exactly what he was doing. So it is not necessarily so that he was ignoring commands.

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21-09-2016, 12:40 PM
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(21-09-2016 12:26 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(21-09-2016 12:21 PM)Dom Wrote:  The tape doesn't let us hear the commands given by the officers - it does say he is ignoring commands though. If they gave the commands, he ignored them.

I see you haven't had your own "Up against the car motherfucker!" experiences either. A standard command prior to doing a search and frisk is "Put your hands on the car and spread your legs." Having performed that particular action myself a few times, looked to me like that was exactly what he was doing. So it is not necessarily so that he was ignoring commands.

I was arrested once (for weed) and no one told me to spread my legs or called me a motherfucker. I wasn't even hand cuffed, they just told me to get in the police car. But then I was a pretty white woman in her early 20s. Privileged on several counts.

In any case, the video shows no evidence regarding commands given one way or the other. I am just sticking with the evidence here. I hear there are other videos out there. I haven't seen them.

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21-09-2016, 12:57 PM
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(21-09-2016 12:40 PM)Dom Wrote:  
(21-09-2016 12:26 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  I see you haven't had your own "Up against the car motherfucker!" experiences either. A standard command prior to doing a search and frisk is "Put your hands on the car and spread your legs." Having performed that particular action myself a few times, looked to me like that was exactly what he was doing. So it is not necessarily so that he was ignoring commands.

I was arrested once (for weed) and no one told me to spread my legs or called me a motherfucker. I wasn't even hand cuffed, they just told me to get in the police car. But then I was a pretty white woman in her early 20s. Privileged on several counts.

In any case, the video shows no evidence regarding commands given one way or the other. I am just sticking with the evidence here. I hear there are other videos out there. I haven't seen them.

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21-09-2016, 01:02 PM
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(21-09-2016 12:57 PM)tomilay Wrote:  The problem, IMO, arises when they have to cover for the bad apples among them. Then people are left with no choice but to lump them together as part and parcel of the same problem.
Respectfully, I disagree. Lumping them together is what many people do, but they do have a choice.

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21-09-2016, 01:10 PM
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(21-09-2016 12:40 PM)Dom Wrote:  I was arrested once ...

I was never arrested but I have been searched after told to exit my vehicle and that's what they told me to do. How were you searched?

(21-09-2016 12:40 PM)Dom Wrote:  and no one told me to spread my legs or called me a motherfucker.

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21-09-2016, 01:29 PM
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"we will achieve justice"

I feel that this statement can be interpreted in many different ways.

Also, over here in the UK when the Soldier Lee Rigby was beheaded in the middle of the road in Woolwhich, both his killers were shot, however as soon as they were neutralised the cops immediately administer first aid, something I feel your cops in the US should also do every single time.




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21-09-2016, 01:42 PM
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(21-09-2016 01:10 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(21-09-2016 12:40 PM)Dom Wrote:  I was arrested once ...

I was never arrested but I have been searched after told to exit my vehicle and that's what they told me to do. How were you searched?

I wasn't. I was taken to jail, never mirandized or questioned, released on bail. When I went to my court date, I sat there waiting all day. Finally went to the records office and found out my case was dropped. They screwed it all up I suppose. They upset me though and I had to go home to smoke some more weed. Tongue

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21-09-2016, 01:47 PM (This post was last modified: 21-09-2016 01:51 PM by Gloucester.)
RE: Dafuq is this?
(21-09-2016 01:29 PM)bemore Wrote:  "we will achieve justice"

I feel that this statement can be interpreted in many different ways.

Also, over here in the UK when the Soldier Lee Rigby was beheaded in the middle of the road in Woolwhich, both his killers were shot, however as soon as they were neutralised the cops immediately administer first aid, something I feel your cops in the US should also do every single time.



After all, good to have the criminal fit for trial and able to fully suffer whatever comes next.
But, if it is an innocent person that is shot and they die from "negligence" . . . Perhaps the police need to do the suffering to the same extent?

Added: But then, we Brits do not live in a land where guns are so ubiquitous. "As ye sow . . ."

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21-09-2016, 01:50 PM
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OK, this is totally off topic. Offtopic but every time I see the word "Dafuq" in a thread I think it's some fancy French word. It takes me a few seconds to register in my brain as an English curse word.

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21-09-2016, 01:53 PM (This post was last modified: 21-09-2016 02:01 PM by Fireball.)
RE: Dafuq is this?
(21-09-2016 01:10 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(21-09-2016 12:40 PM)Dom Wrote:  I was arrested once ...

I was never arrested but I have been searched after told to exit my vehicle and that's what they told me to do. How were you searched?

(21-09-2016 12:40 PM)Dom Wrote:  and no one told me to spread my legs or called me a motherfucker.

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