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22-09-2016, 10:08 PM
RE: Dafuq is this?
(22-09-2016 06:11 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Great point starts at 7:15



He does bring up some good points in this video. Some interesting statistics. What he doesn't do is to go in depth about why these statistics are what they are. He makes a point that "niggas are savages", but just leaves it there.

Are you trying to tell me that black people (wait...excuse me, I mean niggas) are just inherently bad, or savage for some reason? And that "black people" don't suffer from the same affliction as "niggas"?

You're telling me that there are no other reasons that the African American community might be suffering these statistics other than the fact that some blacks are people...and some are niggas.

That's some racist shit right there. I don't care who says it.

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22-09-2016, 10:37 PM
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(22-09-2016 06:11 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  We all have the same opportunity now.

I never had the opportunity to be a orange spray tanned orangutan, reality TV, and failed casino/real estate mogul running for president. Consider

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22-09-2016, 10:53 PM (This post was last modified: 22-09-2016 11:02 PM by Lord Dark Helmet.)
RE: Dafuq is this?
(22-09-2016 10:08 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  
(22-09-2016 06:11 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Great point starts at 7:15



He does bring up some good points in this video. Some interesting statistics. What he doesn't do is to go in depth about why these statistics are what they are. He makes a point that "niggas are savages", but just leaves it there.

Are you trying to tell me that black people (wait...excuse me, I mean niggas) are just inherently bad, or savage for some reason? And that "black people" don't suffer from the same affliction as "niggas"?

You're telling me that there are no other reasons that the African American community might be suffering these statistics other than the fact that some blacks are people...and some are niggas.

That's some racist shit right there. I don't care who says it.

I've watched some of his other videos and a few other guys that have similar points of view. They have come to similar conclusions.

Blacks in America can and are just as successful in America as whites, if they want to be. Whites in similar economic situations do not commit crimes at the same rate. There are more whites on welfare. More whites receive food stamps. More whites are on section 8 housing. But whites don't even come near the crime rates. From listening to guys like in the video I showed, they say its a choice. Culture. They can say it because they're black. And they say its gangster culture. Rap music glorifying a lifestyle. They could get good grades in school. They could get jobs. They could refrain from drugs. But they don't. He touches on it in the video. White people can't say it. But he will. And he says white liberals give them a pass and blame it on economics but ignore the fact that whites in similar economic situations don't act like that in such high rates.

This guy is black, and he said the exact same thing as that Trump campaign supervisor in Ohio who is white. But she's been blasted by the media as a racist, but even blacks see it, if they're honest. It's not racist. It's the truth.

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22-09-2016, 11:36 PM
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(22-09-2016 10:53 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  white liberals give them a pass and blame it on economics but ignore the fact that whites in similar economic situations don't act like that in such high rates...It's not racist. It's the truth.

But again I have to reiterate that whites are not in similar economic situations as blacks. At least not in the same demographics...that is ,the same amount of people forced to live in the same conditions with the same "opportunities" as the whites.

Don't get me wrong here, I think that there is a disproportionate problem in the African American community when it comes to crime. But when you study how economic and race factors influence a communities ability to provide upward mobility for their citizens, and compare it to the systemic pattern of disregard and utter contempt that the United States has always had towards our former slave race, then you can get a pretty good idea of how we've bred this type of behavior and have not taken the necessary steps to relieve the woes of a class of citizens who were never given a chance to be a part of our "normal" society in the first place.

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22-09-2016, 11:52 PM (This post was last modified: 23-09-2016 12:27 AM by EvolutionKills.)
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(22-09-2016 10:53 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  I've watched some of his other videos and a few other guys that have similar points of view. They have come to similar conclusions.

Blacks in America can and are just as successful in America as whites, if they want to be. Whites in similar economic situations do not commit crimes at the same rate. There are more whites on welfare. More whites receive food stamps. More whites are on section 8 housing. But whites don't even come near the crime rates. From listening to guys like in the video I showed, they say its a choice. Culture. They can say it because they're black. And they say its gangster culture. Rap music glorifying a lifestyle. They could get good grades in school. They could get jobs. They could refrain from drugs. But they don't. He touches on it in the video. White people can't say it. But he will. And he says white liberals give them a pass and blame it on economics but ignore the fact that whites in similar economic situations don't act like that in such high rates.

This guy is black, and he said the exact same thing as that Trump campaign supervisor in Ohio who is white. But she's been blasted by the media as a racist, but even blacks see it, if they're honest. It's not racist. It's the truth.


Still not a complete picture. Doesn't account for the fact that just having a black ethnic sounding names on a resume, all things being equal, more than halves your chances of being called back. When those in power (political, economic, judicial) take the perception that "black people are just thugs" as a cultural fact, that has negative ramifications for the whole community. Poor blacks have a stigma attached to them that makes it much harder to overcome and succeed through legitimate means than a similarly poor white person. Yes, both poor blacks and poor whites can succeed; but how much really is on the individual who turns their back on a system for expecting them to shovel twice as much shit for their fair share, just because of other people's judgement about the color of their skin? I'd be pissed too.

Those with the power write them off as thugs, which limits their access to legitimate success, which makes 'thuggery' a more lucrative means to some modicum of success, which further fuels the fire. The perception of the stereotype creates more examples to fuel said stereotype, it is a negative feedback loop. You want to put the onus on stopping the loop on those who already have the least amount of power, I think we have a better chance of stopping it by having those who already have actual power do something about it. Unfortunately those who already have power are pretty good at retaining it.

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23-09-2016, 12:06 AM
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(22-09-2016 11:36 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  
(22-09-2016 10:53 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  white liberals give them a pass and blame it on economics but ignore the fact that whites in similar economic situations don't act like that in such high rates...It's not racist. It's the truth.

But again I have to reiterate that whites are not in similar economic situations as blacks. At least not in the same demographics...that is ,the same amount of people forced to live in the same conditions with the same "opportunities" as the whites.

Don't get me wrong here, I think that there is a disproportionate problem in the African American community when it comes to crime. But when you study how economic and race factors influence a communities ability to provide upward mobility for their citizens, and compare it to the systemic pattern of disregard and utter contempt that the United States has always had towards our former slave race, then you can get a pretty good idea of how we've bred this type of behavior and have not taken the necessary steps to relieve the woes of a class of citizens who were never given a chance to be a part of our "normal" society in the first place.

It's a difficult thing to talk about for most people and I appreciate you even having this discussion without using the "racist" label.

I don't believe racism is dead in America. Trust me I know its alive and well. On both sides. Growing up in Los Angeles I saw the Peckerwood Skinhead gangs. And I lived through racism towards myself, as a white kid in a predominantly black/Hispanic neighborhood. Being chased through the alley while being taunted with "little white boy" or "cracka muthafucka."

I still believe most problems in the black community are due to choices. Although I do understand its not the choices by an individual in every case. Sometimes ones parents are complete losers. No help with homework. No direction. Parents on drugs. No supervision. But still not a problem caused by white people. Problems within their own community. We can all be honest and just come out and say it. The majority of problems in the black community could be fixed if they chose to stop glorifying the gangster culture. Plenty of black folks grow up in terrible neighborhoods and end up successful. I've seen them. But they're the kids that refuse to join the gangs. They finish school. Their heroes aren't athletes or rappers. They take a lot of crap from the other black kids so maybe thats why so many end up failing. It's an issue only they can fix though.

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23-09-2016, 12:31 AM
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(23-09-2016 12:06 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  The majority of problems in the black community could be fixed if they chose to stop glorifying the gangster culture.

That is a perverse oversimplification.

Replace "black" and "gangster" with "gun", does that solve our mass shooting epidemic?

I didn't think so.

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23-09-2016, 12:39 AM
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(23-09-2016 12:31 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(23-09-2016 12:06 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  The majority of problems in the black community could be fixed if they chose to stop glorifying the gangster culture.

That is a perverse oversimplification.

Replace "black" and "gangster" with "gun", does that solve our mass shooting epidemic?

I didn't think so.

You must be one of the white liberals the guy in the video was talking about. Suffering from white guilt so you'll excuse a guy for committing 32 murders because he grew up poor, blaming his poor economic situation for his lack of morals.

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23-09-2016, 12:52 AM (This post was last modified: 23-09-2016 04:39 AM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: Dafuq is this?
(23-09-2016 12:39 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(23-09-2016 12:31 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  That is a perverse oversimplification.

Replace "black" and "gangster" with "gun", does that solve our mass shooting epidemic?

I didn't think so.

You must be one of the white liberals the guy in the video was talking about. Suffering from white guilt so you'll excuse a guy for committing 32 murders because he grew up poor, blaming his poor economic situation for his lack of morals.

Fuck you cunt.

Culture does not exist in a vacuum.

Seriously, how does that at all address my point? It doesn't. You committed the equivalent of a Godwin. Don't like what someone else has to say? Accuse them of being agreeable with mass murder! There is a broad gulf between acknowledging the larger context of a situation, and blank check forgiveness for all culpability because of it. Given that you evidently are incapable of such nuance, why the hell should anyone else here give the slightest fuck about what else you have to say on the matter?

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23-09-2016, 06:24 AM
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(23-09-2016 12:39 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(23-09-2016 12:31 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  That is a perverse oversimplification.

Replace "black" and "gangster" with "gun", does that solve our mass shooting epidemic?

I didn't think so.

You must be one of the white liberals the guy in the video was talking about. Suffering from white guilt so you'll excuse a guy for committing 32 murders because he grew up poor, blaming his poor economic situation for his lack of morals.

Who committed thirty-two murders?

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