Damned If We Do, Damned If We Don't: Trump vs. Pence
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08-08-2017, 07:54 AM
RE: Damned If We Do, Damned If We Don't: Trump vs. Pence
Here's an interesting Trump versus Pence article from the Washington Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/...?tid=sm_fb
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08-08-2017, 08:00 AM
RE: Damned If We Do, Damned If We Don't: Trump vs. Pence
(04-08-2017 12:48 AM)morondog Wrote:  I keep seeing this idea that Pence will be worse than Trump because he's NOT incompetent Huh

It's certainly the strangest political idea I've ever come across.

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My fear with Pence is that he'll be much quieter about what he wants and will get more damage done. If The Oompa Loompa in Chief either gets impeached or quits and Pence has the present congress he can do more in terms of regulating women's rights, imposing his religion on everyone etc.

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08-08-2017, 08:09 AM
RE: Damned If We Do, Damned If We Don't: Trump vs. Pence
(08-08-2017 08:00 AM)KidCharlemagne1962 Wrote:  
(04-08-2017 12:48 AM)morondog Wrote:  I keep seeing this idea that Pence will be worse than Trump because he's NOT incompetent Huh

It's certainly the strangest political idea I've ever come across.

It is MD! Tongue

My fear with Pence is that he'll be much quieter about what he wants and will get more damage done. If The Oompa Loompa in Chief either gets impeached or quits and Pence has the present congress he can do more in terms of regulating women's rights, imposing his religion on everyone etc.

There are a lot of things being undone already - quietly in the back ground while Trump keeps us busy with his antics. Pence will be even more efficient at this, plus, yes, he is a religious fanatic and we will come to feel it.

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08-08-2017, 08:51 AM
RE: Damned If We Do, Damned If We Don't: Trump vs. Pence
Well Pence would be locked in until 2020 (unless he does something) but I don't think he would appeal to independents nearly as much as Trump did. He's way too crazy into the bad side of conservatism. I could be wrong but I think his strict relgious conservatism would actually hurt him in the general election.
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08-08-2017, 09:01 AM
RE: Damned If We Do, Damned If We Don't: Trump vs. Pence
There are other things falling out of the current White House mess. Some of them are people falling out of the parties, with others, like Jeff Flake, saying they are not leaving the party but are trying to draw it more to the center.

Quote:The independents are banding together.

That is, 13 independent candidates who feel they don’t fit in the Republican Party in the age of Donald Trump are joining forces with a few registered Democrats, all looking at runs for governor and Senate in 2018. The plan is to create shared infrastructure and funding for a slate of campaigns around the country, in the hopes of making this more than the latest go-nowhere whining about how awful the two-party system is.
Anti-Trump Independents are Starting to Organize

Quote:The Centrist Project aims to strategically elect independent candidates to office who can break through political gridlock and serve as a voice for all those in the sensible center –– not as a traditional third party, but as America’s first Unparty.
The Centrist Project

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17-10-2017, 09:34 AM
RE: Damned If We Do, Damned If We Don't: Trump vs. Pence
New Yorker article : Bubbles is really not presidential material, but then his boss isn't either. Weeping
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/1...dent-pence

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17-10-2017, 01:11 PM
RE: Damned If We Do, Damned If We Don't: Trump vs. Pence
Trump aspires to dictatorship
Pence aspires to theocracy

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17-10-2017, 02:08 PM
RE: Damned If We Do, Damned If We Don't: Trump vs. Pence
(08-08-2017 08:51 AM)ResidentEvilFan Wrote:  Well Pence would be locked in until 2020 (unless he does something) but I don't think he would appeal to independents nearly as much as Trump did. He's way too crazy into the bad side of conservatism. I could be wrong but I think his strict relgious conservatism would actually hurt him in the general election.

Trump might sound like an idiot and a chauvinistic pig, but he has a certain charisma and a way to appeal to people most basic and tribalistic instinct. Pence is about as entertaining as a vinyl floor. He has no charisma at all. If Trump can gain the vote of early 30's conservatives who happen not to be religious, but from the growing reactionnary right, Pence would be incapable of reaching up to them. In a sense, Trump anti-globalisation, anti-immigration, anti-feminist, nationalist and hawkish (but only in appearance) political program is also extremly popular amongst a large fringe of the middle class that can be described as ''softly conservative''. The only problem of Trump, that Reagan didn't have for example, toward this massively important demographic is the fact that he is rude and crass. While Pence might seem more composed, his profoundly religious views and total lack of charisma prevent him from being President as it doesn't match the younger reactionnaries and the softer conservatives. Evangelicals, thanks to their highly motivated voters and well organised lobbies, might have an enormous power within the GOP, they are actually not numerous enough to push, alone, a politician to the highest office.

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