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22-05-2013, 08:08 PM
Daniel's Seventy Weeks
Can anyone help me out a bit in refuting Daniel's prophecy of the Seventy Weeks?

It is claimed to foretell the exact timing of Christ's death, and the destruction of Jerusalem a few decades after.
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22-05-2013, 09:20 PM
RE: Daniel's Seventy Weeks
(22-05-2013 08:08 PM)TheLastEnemy Wrote:  Can anyone help me out a bit in refuting Daniel's prophecy of the Seventy Weeks?

It is claimed to foretell the exact timing of Christ's death, and the destruction of Jerusalem a few decades after.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_Seventy_Weeks

What version of this are you debating?

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22-05-2013, 11:36 PM
RE: Daniel's Seventy Weeks
If you have the time, you could read all about it here. But since nobody has that kind of time, let me sum it up:

The book of Daniel was clearly written in the 2nd century BCE, rather than the 6th century BCE as it proposes. Because of this the history, specifically the lineage of kings, doesn't align with the actual lineage of Babylonian kings. So it's quite difficult to place a target on exactly when the "seven weeks" start, but it's most likely the work of reverse-engineering, taking the end of those supposed weeks and counting backwards. But the "end of those supposed weeks" is also a moving target... people who bring up this argument allege a specific date of Jesus' death, although scholars can only narrow it down to a range of years.

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23-05-2013, 08:51 AM
RE: Daniel's Seventy Weeks
Um, if Daniel was written in the 2nd century BCE and was reverse engineered, it's tied to an historical event that would place the "cutting off of Messiah" to 32 or 33 CE on PASSOVER.
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23-05-2013, 09:59 AM
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Can anyone help me refute Sybill Trelawney's first prophecy?

Did it actually come to pass, or was it applicable to Neville Longbottom?

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23-05-2013, 10:23 AM
RE: Daniel's Seventy Weeks
(23-05-2013 08:51 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  Um, if Daniel was written in the 2nd century BCE and was reverse engineered, it's tied to an historical event that would place the "cutting off of Messiah" to 32 or 33 CE on PASSOVER.

So the Gospel writers wrote to fit the Prophecy.
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23-05-2013, 11:13 AM
RE: Daniel's Seventy Weeks
(22-05-2013 11:36 PM)Starcrash Wrote:  If you have the time, you could read all about it here. But since nobody has that kind of time, let me sum it up:

The book of Daniel was clearly written in the 2nd century BCE, rather than the 6th century BCE as it proposes. Because of this the history, specifically the lineage of kings, doesn't align with the actual lineage of Babylonian kings. So it's quite difficult to place a target on exactly when the "seven weeks" start, but it's most likely the work of reverse-engineering, taking the end of those supposed weeks and counting backwards. But the "end of those supposed weeks" is also a moving target... people who bring up this argument allege a specific date of Jesus' death, although scholars can only narrow it down to a range of years.

Exactly. The vocabulary, the writing style, and everything about it reflects the apocalyptic period, and it was written during the time you state, and "predated" to make it appear to be prescient. Anyone can "predict" something *after the fact*. Weeping

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23-05-2013, 02:06 PM
RE: Daniel's Seventy Weeks
Quote:So the Gospel writers wrote to fit the Prophecy.

And... the U.N. made Israel a nation on May 15, 1948 CE to fit the Prophecy. And churches worldwide revere a Jewish crucifixion victim to fit the Prophecy. And people are actualized, pleased and pleasured in the millions, including saved marriages, children and health to fit the Prophecy. Etc.
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23-05-2013, 02:10 PM (This post was last modified: 23-05-2013 07:15 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Daniel's Seventy Weeks
(23-05-2013 02:06 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
Quote:So the Gospel writers wrote to fit the Prophecy.

And... the U.N. made Israel a nation on May 15, 1948 CE to fit the Prophecy. And churches worldwide revere a Jewish crucifixion victim to fit the Prophecy. And people are actualized, pleased and pleasured in the millions, including saved marriages, children and health to fit the Prophecy. Etc.

You STILL have not given us, and no historian can "fix" the date of the crucifixion. And the gospels do not agree on it. And you cannot prove that the gospels were not written to agree with what they thought it may have been, just as Matthew and Luke made up their birth narratives to appear to agree with what was at that time coming to be seen as important. The temple is not rebuilt, the nation is not a religious kingdom, in fact sectarians and Arabs now out-number Jews in Israel. Take off your rose colored glasses. No "prophesy", (as much as that fallacy is "prediction") actually came true. The messianic age was not ushered in. Humans are no different than they were then.

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23-05-2013, 04:48 PM
RE: Daniel's Seventy Weeks
(23-05-2013 02:06 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
Quote:So the Gospel writers wrote to fit the Prophecy.

And... the U.N. made Israel a nation on May 15, 1948 CE to fit the Prophecy. And churches worldwide revere a Jewish crucifixion victim to fit the Prophecy. And people are actualized, pleased and pleasured in the millions, including saved marriages, children and health to fit the Prophecy. Etc.

One Gospel writer twisting an obscure historical event is a hell of a lot different then the creation of Israel.

And besides, you really think Yahweh would support and protect a secular,liberal democracy?

The Muslim nations that make up Israel's enemies are in fact far closer to following God's laws than Israel is.
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