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27-12-2013, 03:32 AM
Exclamation Dare some Japanese supporting calling on the Yasukuni have a word with me here?
I am Chinese. You are Japanese.

I am still licking my wounds of the Nanjing Massacre. You consider calling on a shrine with convicted Class A War Criminals as "paying tribute to those who sacrificed for the country".

Why don't we clarify things up a little so that in future we are more determined to cut up each other's throat ?

I am an ordinary interpreter of the English language. I don't like war, yet am not afraid of one. If you are familiar with history, you probably would know what happened nearly 100 years ago between China and Japan. I encourage you to do that again for the sake of its 100-year anniversary.

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27-12-2013, 05:13 AM (This post was last modified: 27-12-2013 05:22 AM by DLJ.)
RE: Dare some Japanese supporting calling on the Yasukuni have a word with me here?
Ooooh! Someone's upset!

I don't think we have any Japanese forum members.

I hear what you're saying though.

It's what people do when they have a god on their side.

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27-12-2013, 05:22 AM
RE: Dare some Japanese supporting calling on the Yasukuni have a word with me here?
All I can say about this is try not to paint all Japanese with the same brush. We are living in a time where ignorant old right wing revisionists have far more political power than they should have. If you judged the United States by the content of Right Wing Watch[1] you would lose all hope for that country also, and many have given up. However, there are good people to be found.

[1] http://www.youtube.com/user/RWWBlog

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27-12-2013, 06:38 AM
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How about all those millions that died in the Mao caused famine?
Yet, there you are fapping away to mao's picture (the one where he shows a bit of ankle).

So when it's a Chinese guy doing it didn't happen, but when Japanese people do it it's cause for war?

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27-12-2013, 11:25 AM
RE: Dare some Japanese supporting calling on the Yasukuni have a word with me here?
Crimes committed by rulers against his own people are much easily justified , forgotten and forgiven.
Different rules apply when it comes to crimes committed by outsiders, because then tribal mentality comes into play.
Then it's "us" vs "them". People identify with the victims and assume a common enemy. Shit spirals out of control very easy then.

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27-12-2013, 02:35 PM
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(27-12-2013 11:25 AM)Slowminded Wrote:  Crimes committed by rulers against his own people are much easily justified , forgotten and forgiven.
Different rules apply when it comes to crimes committed by outsiders, because then tribal mentality comes into play.
Then it's "us" vs "them". People identify with the victims and assume a common enemy. Shit spirals out of control very easy then.

I agree with this.
But it's stupid. If someone is killing a bunch of people it shouldn't matter if he's a foreigner or your own leader.
The fact that HU is only outraged by the Japanese doing it while on the complete other hand he worships Mao... it's fucking stupid.

This is a huge problem because it means people like Mao or Hitler or Stalin or insert your douche bag dictator here, get away with doing such crimes.
You think Hitler would have been able to kill 6million Jews if his own people were against it? You think Stalin would have been able to be responsible for ridiculous amounts of deaths if his own people didn't suck on the Stalin teet?
You think millions would be starving in North Korea right now, the country with the largest standing army, if people didn't allow it to happen?
That fat fuck is only one person. Yet he gets away with starving his population and throwing whole families in jail because his people let him.

I'm not excusing Japanese actions I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy and brainwashing that HU constantly demonstrates.

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27-12-2013, 02:59 PM
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(27-12-2013 02:35 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  
(27-12-2013 11:25 AM)Slowminded Wrote:  Crimes committed by rulers against his own people are much easily justified , forgotten and forgiven.
Different rules apply when it comes to crimes committed by outsiders, because then tribal mentality comes into play.
Then it's "us" vs "them". People identify with the victims and assume a common enemy. Shit spirals out of control very easy then.

I agree with this.
But it's stupid. If someone is killing a bunch of people it shouldn't matter if he's a foreigner or your own leader.
The fact that HU is only outraged by the Japanese doing it while on the complete other hand he worships Mao... it's fucking stupid.

This is a huge problem because it means people like Mao or Hitler or Stalin or insert your douche bag dictator here, get away with doing such crimes.
You think Hitler would have been able to kill 6million Jews if his own people were against it? You think Stalin would have been able to be responsible for ridiculous amounts of deaths if his own people didn't suck on the Stalin teet?
You think millions would be starving in North Korea right now, the country with the largest standing army, if people didn't allow it to happen?
That fat fuck is only one person. Yet he gets away with starving his population and throwing whole families in jail because his people let him.

I'm not excusing Japanese actions I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy and brainwashing that HU constantly demonstrates.

Dictators , in combination with oppression of the ones who raise their heads , and allowing privileges to the inner circle, are always good at selling their story to the masses.They turn it around to make it look like their victims are in fact enemies of the people, revolution, what have you. Some are gullible enough to believe that, some are too afraid to act.
When thing are bad, people need someone to blame, the ones in power just point the finger as they see fit.
People want to believe their leaders. And it's much easier to hype them then one would imagine. I have witnessed this first hand. Mob mentality...fucking scary shit.

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27-12-2013, 10:53 PM (This post was last modified: 27-12-2013 11:58 PM by HU.Junyuan.)
RE: Dare some Japanese supporting calling on the Yasukuni have a word with me here?
(27-12-2013 11:25 AM)Slowminded Wrote:  Crimes blablabla ...

Simply put:
Are you a Japanese ?
Are you a Japanese right wing supporter ?
Do you support Prime Minister Abe's offically visiting the Yasukuni Shrine ?
Do you support Tenno Hirohito and Prime Minister Hideki Tojo's rule of militarism ?

If so, then we can cut the crap and express some direct personal hostility towards each other.

My grandpa, a guerrilla leader against the KMT regime after Japan had surrendered, and a CCP member gravely wrongly accused and imprisoned in the Cultural Revolution, used to tell me about his youth days when he saw Japanese bombers attack residency areas of Chongqing, the then KMT regime captital, and sent bloody human parts flying all over the place directly in front of him. "Intestines on a tree", he said. You will be too naive to think someone who lothes the crazy old days would like the Japanese. Yet if Japan is able to make some serious war threats and lead the real estate prices in China to fall dramatically, I might start to like you guys ...

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27-12-2013, 11:16 PM (This post was last modified: 27-12-2013 11:34 PM by HU.Junyuan.)
RE: Dare some Japanese supporting calling on the Yasukuni have a word with me here?
(27-12-2013 05:13 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Ooooh! Someone's upset!

I don't think we have any Japanese forum members.

It's really nice of you have said that my words had been heard.

After I wrote the "cut up each other's throat" line yesterday, I wasn't as emotionally involved as I used to be when I had my first "debates" with Chas. In fact I went out to enjoy a hot pot gathering with my colleagues and a following Karaoke hilarity until midnight. I noticed that Karaoke is a Japanese invention, yet I still had a great time, with half a dozen of bottles of beer emptied.

I wasn't quite upset. I just suddenly had the feeling that: it is a good day to die. After a mild hang-over, well, this feeling is still there, as clear and peaceful as yesterday.

I think I might have already met one Japanese forum member just now.

(27-12-2013 05:22 AM)Hafnof Wrote:  All I can say about this is try not to paint all Japanese with the same brush. We are living in a time where ignorant old right wing revisionists have far more political power than they should have. If you judged the United States by the content of Right Wing Watch[1] you would lose all hope for that country also, and many have given up. However, there are good people to be found.

[1] http://www.youtube.com/user/RWWBlog

I agree with you. That's exactly why I wasn't asking for a random Japanese forum member.

There's always the good part of the story: the action of the Japanese Prime Minister put his country in a harder place internationally, pretty much like what his predecessor Prime Minister Hideki Tojo had done. For the love of his country ? Maybe, yet I think it was more for personal gains, a little improvident as usual. If I could be a little more farsighted, I should have encouraged more of this type of deeds, like I should have urged more people from the West to turn Earmuffs-like. Tongue

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27-12-2013, 11:20 PM
RE: Dare some Japanese supporting calling on the Yasukuni have a word with me here?
I believe that the Chinese never took the task of leaning something out of their historical mistakes serious.

But then again: Hardly anyone did.

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