Darwin's Doubt
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02-08-2013, 08:07 PM
RE: Darwin's Doubt
(02-08-2013 08:00 PM)Minimalist Wrote:  Darwin was a creationist.

Quote:To my mind it accords better with what we know of the laws impressed on matter by the Creator, that the production and extinction of the past and present inhabitants of the world should have been due to secondary causes, like those determining the birth and death of the individual.


Chapter 14 of Origin of Species

http://www.literature.org/authors/darwin...f-species/

Except no. That makes him a deist.

"Creationism" is an explicit repudiation of his ideas. So there's that.

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02-08-2013, 08:30 PM
RE: Darwin's Doubt
This guy... No





I thought that any of Darwin's doubting was on the lack of clear mechanisms that explained how his theory actually worked. Now that we know how it works (genes, DNA, etc.) it's a confirmation to how right he was.
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03-08-2013, 12:16 PM
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The Paleontologist Donald Prothero has written a biting critique of the book. You can read it on Amazon. His review has garnered 730 comments! That's more than I've ever seen. Many are from bitter creationists.

http://www.amazon.com/review/R2HNOHERF13...deID=&tag=
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03-08-2013, 12:24 PM
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(02-08-2013 03:52 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(02-08-2013 01:58 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  I must admit to being genuinely interested in reading it. I'm not going to give them my money for it, but I would be fascinated to take it apart piece by piece.

This exactly! I'll just patiently wait for a "family" member to anonymously send it to me. Then maybe I'll just mail it to you.

I feel the same way. I saw it a while ago at the bookstore and have wanted to read it out of a morbid curiosity, but don't want to support them by giving them my money.

Maybe we could get a TTA library going in which books no one wants to actually own are available to be read and are just mailed from house to house after whoever has it is finished with it. ...but I'm not going to buy this one first...

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03-08-2013, 12:44 PM
RE: Darwin's Doubt
(03-08-2013 12:16 PM)ghostexorcist Wrote:  The Paleontologist Donald Prothero has written a biting critique of the book. You can read it on Amazon. His review has garnered 730 comments! That's more than I've ever seen. Many are from bitter creationists.

http://www.amazon.com/review/R2HNOHERF13...deID=&tag=

Prothero points out that Meyer's PhD is in the History of Science, and he has a BA in geophysics. That's it; he has zero training in paleontology. That should tell you how reliable the book is.
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04-08-2013, 01:45 PM
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Here is a lengthy critique by a grad student:

http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2013/06/...ess-2.html
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23-01-2014, 10:12 PM
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I have access to a PDF of the book if anyone has the stomach to read it.

Never mind. The file was corrupted.
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24-01-2014, 11:20 AM
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My son came home with this as suggested reading from the youth leader of his church group. Has not read it yet, but I stuck a very good review from a scentific journal inside the cover to be discovered by him.

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24-01-2014, 05:50 PM
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(02-08-2013 08:07 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(02-08-2013 08:00 PM)Minimalist Wrote:  Darwin was a creationist.


http://www.literature.org/authors/darwin...f-species/

Except no. That makes him a deist.

"Creationism" is an explicit repudiation of his ideas. So there's that.

I don't know. If you believe in a "creator" then that would seem to make you a creatard. Darwin gets a pass because he was just starting out. These modern creatards do not get that leeway.

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