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27-02-2015, 11:51 AM (This post was last modified: 27-02-2015 02:13 PM by ghostexorcist.)
RE: Dat Noah Flood
(27-02-2015 10:24 AM)ghostexorcist Wrote:  Nice write up. I've read up on middle eastern ship building, and a lot of the wood for the various dhows active in the Indian Ocean had to be imported from India.

Just in case anyone is interested, I got the information from Classic Ships of Islam: From Mesopotamia to the Indian Ocean (2007). It's overly expensive, but worth the money if you are interested in the subject. Luckily, a pdf is available online:

http://cnqzu.com/library/To%20Organize/B...istik_.pdf

Edit: The link doesn't seem to be working, yet I can access the PDF via google. Just search "Classic Ships of Islam PDF". It should be the first page.
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27-02-2015, 05:54 PM
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Common Ground: Creationism is a joke.

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27-02-2015, 06:00 PM
RE: Dat Noah Flood
(27-02-2015 10:27 AM)unfogged Wrote:  
(27-02-2015 10:24 AM)ghostexorcist Wrote:  Nice write up. I've read up on middle eastern ship building, and a lot of the wood for the various dhows active in the Indian Ocean had to be imported from India.

You guys keep forgetting that gopher wood is magic. That explains everything.

Yeah theres no point throwing logic into the mix.

For each wall of reason you build... There's a big cannonball heading its way with the word MAGIC written on it.

Its like the worst game of Top Trumps you've ever played.. Whatever card you play, they always trump it with GODDIDIT.
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02-03-2015, 03:08 PM
RE: Dat Noah Flood
(27-02-2015 11:13 AM)Timber1025 Wrote:  Q - you officially get the uber gold medal for mental gymnastics! Are you actually proposing the rain water described in the bible story rapidly became frozen due to a rapid tilt in the earth's axis? I know you whine about name calling, but you are an idiot! Nothing else to say about this.

You are a weasel for trying to relate known and well understood facts on how ice ages and glaciers have shaped the surface terrain in places, with the bible rain/flood fable. You are one of many dishonest and evading weasels that have made this pathetic attempt to wish something so bad to be true, and then lie to all, including themselves.

Stop making shit up!

It sounds like you are unaware of theories about the poles. Animals stand erect now, frozen, chewing food, even mating.

However, discussing the polar ice caps, which scientists say existed prior to as well as after the ice ages, has only a tangential relationship to my point--that the geologic evidence for slow-moving ice sheets is pretty much the same evidence that can be used to talk about a flood(s) and receding water, silt, etc.

We have a common ground to discuss but I don't feel regarding this particular thread that TTA cares to discuss any facts.

I'm told atheists on forums like TTA are bitter and angry. If you are not, your posts to me will be respectful, insightful and thoughtful. Prove me wrong by your adherence to decent behavior.
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02-03-2015, 03:13 PM
RE: Dat Noah Flood
(02-03-2015 03:08 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(27-02-2015 11:13 AM)Timber1025 Wrote:  Q - you officially get the uber gold medal for mental gymnastics! Are you actually proposing the rain water described in the bible story rapidly became frozen due to a rapid tilt in the earth's axis? I know you whine about name calling, but you are an idiot! Nothing else to say about this.

You are a weasel for trying to relate known and well understood facts on how ice ages and glaciers have shaped the surface terrain in places, with the bible rain/flood fable. You are one of many dishonest and evading weasels that have made this pathetic attempt to wish something so bad to be true, and then lie to all, including themselves.

Stop making shit up!

It sounds like you are unaware of theories about the poles. Animals stand erect now, frozen, chewing food, even mating.

However, discussing the polar ice caps, which scientists say existed prior to as well as after the ice ages, has only a tangential relationship to my point--that the geologic evidence for slow-moving ice sheets is pretty much the same evidence that can be used to talk about a flood(s) and receding water, silt, etc.

We have a common ground to discuss but I don't feel regarding this particular thread that TTA cares to discuss any facts.

FAIL! Myth said it rained for 40 days and flooded the earth - you have a focusing problem?

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02-03-2015, 05:19 PM
RE: Dat Noah Flood
(02-03-2015 03:08 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(27-02-2015 11:13 AM)Timber1025 Wrote:  Q - you officially get the uber gold medal for mental gymnastics! Are you actually proposing the rain water described in the bible story rapidly became frozen due to a rapid tilt in the earth's axis? I know you whine about name calling, but you are an idiot! Nothing else to say about this.

You are a weasel for trying to relate known and well understood facts on how ice ages and glaciers have shaped the surface terrain in places, with the bible rain/flood fable. You are one of many dishonest and evading weasels that have made this pathetic attempt to wish something so bad to be true, and then lie to all, including themselves.

Stop making shit up!

It sounds like you are unaware of theories about the poles. Animals stand erect now, frozen, chewing food, even mating.

However, discussing the polar ice caps, which scientists say existed prior to as well as after the ice ages, has only a tangential relationship to my point--that the geologic evidence for slow-moving ice sheets is pretty much the same evidence that can be used to talk about a flood(s) and receding water, silt, etc.

We have a common ground to discuss but I don't feel regarding this particular thread that TTA cares to discuss any facts.

No and no. The effects of ice sheets and the effects of floods are very different.

Your ignorance and dishonesty are astounding.

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02-03-2015, 05:29 PM
RE: Dat Noah Flood
(02-03-2015 05:19 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(02-03-2015 03:08 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  It sounds like you are unaware of theories about the poles. Animals stand erect now, frozen, chewing food, even mating.

However, discussing the polar ice caps, which scientists say existed prior to as well as after the ice ages, has only a tangential relationship to my point--that the geologic evidence for slow-moving ice sheets is pretty much the same evidence that can be used to talk about a flood(s) and receding water, silt, etc.

We have a common ground to discuss but I don't feel regarding this particular thread that TTA cares to discuss any facts.

No and no. The effects of ice sheets and the effects of floods are very different.

Your ignorance and dishonesty are astounding.

It's hard to understand exactly what Q is getting at sometimes, but I believe his claim in this case is that the melting of the ice sheets caused the "Great Flood" (or at least contributed to it). Alas, the recession and melting of the continental glaciers was much too slow and gradual to cause anything like the flood described in the Bible -- not to mention that it explicitly talks about 40 days of rain and says nothing about ice.
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02-03-2015, 05:30 PM
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(02-03-2015 03:08 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  It sounds like you are unaware of theories about the poles. Animals stand erect now, frozen, chewing food, even mating.

However, discussing the polar ice caps, which scientists say existed prior to as well as after the ice ages, has only a tangential relationship to my point--that the geologic evidence for slow-moving ice sheets is pretty much the same evidence that can be used to talk about a flood(s) and receding water, silt, etc.

We have a common ground to discuss but I don't feel regarding this particular thread that TTA cares to discuss any facts.

ABSOLUTE Bullshit.

The ONLY way you could have two animals frozen to death in coitus - would be if you dipped them in liquid nitrogen while they were distracted. Air simply does not conduct heat (only heat conducts, not cold) fast enough to freeze any animal in anything less than minutes -- not seconds.

You've been watching too many Hollyweird movies champ.....

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02-03-2015, 05:36 PM
RE: Dat Noah Flood
(02-03-2015 05:30 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  
(02-03-2015 03:08 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  It sounds like you are unaware of theories about the poles. Animals stand erect now, frozen, chewing food, even mating.

However, discussing the polar ice caps, which scientists say existed prior to as well as after the ice ages, has only a tangential relationship to my point--that the geologic evidence for slow-moving ice sheets is pretty much the same evidence that can be used to talk about a flood(s) and receding water, silt, etc.

We have a common ground to discuss but I don't feel regarding this particular thread that TTA cares to discuss any facts.

ABSOLUTE Bullshit.

The ONLY way you could have two animals frozen to death in coitus - would be if you dipped them in liquid nitrogen while they were distracted. Air simply does not conduct heat (only heat conducts, not cold) fast enough to freeze any animal in anything less than minutes -- not seconds.

You've been watching too many Hollyweird movies champ.....

Well, see, the sex was so hot and heavy that they both died from heart attacks (or from sheer excess of ecstasy) -- and then they gradually froze.

Laugh out load
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02-03-2015, 05:44 PM
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(02-03-2015 03:08 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  It sounds like you are unaware of theories about the poles. Animals stand erect now, frozen, chewing food, even mating.

Citation required.

Quote:However, discussing the polar ice caps, which scientists say existed prior to as well as after the ice ages, has only a tangential relationship to my point--that the geologic evidence for slow-moving ice sheets is pretty much the same evidence that can be used to talk about a flood(s) and receding water, silt, etc.

Citation required.

Quote:We have a common ground to discuss but I don't feel regarding this particular thread that TTA cares to discuss any facts.

The only one without facts is you.

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